Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foreign volunteers for nursing for Germany during World War II


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Only the author requested to keep the article. UtherSRG (talk) 14:17, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Foreign volunteers for nursing for Germany during World War II

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Written in the same style and with the same sources as Frontschwester, which has been nominated for deletion because of sockpuppetry. Check User has not identified a relationship between Habilemonkac and Sju hav (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sju hav), but the topic and source overlap more than suggest that we are talking about one person behind these accounts. 4ing (talk) 11:34, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article has a language link to Norwegian. There are numerous books in Norwegian on this topic, written by unmerited amateur historians. --Habilemonkac (talk) 11:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV and pretty much an exact copy of Frontschwester, which is already up for deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:08, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. A copy of a G5 article currently in discussion (badly sourced and POV problems too). I am still convinced, that the whole article and its copy should be deleted and recreated from scratch based on reliable sources from established experts. Relying on amateur historians, tabloid articles and a 2014/15 thesis is not a good start for such a topic. GermanJoe (talk) 20:32, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - looks like a duplicate created to circumvent the AfD discussion of Frontschwester.GraemeLeggett (talk) 22:12, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - The Frontschwester article does share text with this one. This article has improvements on some of the other article's problems: "There may be something in here that is worthy of its own article also on WPEN; but both title and scope needs to be better defined". --Habilemonkac (talk) 09:25, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment - This article already cited Omer Bartov. Now it also cites Peter Tudvad, Marie Aakre and Editor of Culture at Flensborg Avis. These citations have replaced many of the quotes from the 2014 dissertation. Regarding "looks like a duplicate created to circumvent": Frontschwesters include German citizens who were non-volunteers. On the other hand, not all Foreign volunteers for nursing, were Frontschwesters. In other words, the topics are different, but the articles do cover some common ground. --Habilemonkac (talk) 13:27, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge into Frontschwester (or vice versa). Better still userify until the author can provide a single well argued article.  These are covering the same ground and using the same main sources.  We do not need both.  The subject matter is a significant topic, but currently there are far too many redlinks and it relies far too much in a master's dissertation.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:22, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - After today's edits I would not say that the article in any way depends on the one mentioned Master's degree dissertation. However claims regarding conclusions of research (mentioned in the Research section) might need further discussion. Regarding a merge: the German frontschwester Ernestine Thren was not a foreign volunteer. Why would we want to merge the article about foreign volunteers to an article about her and other frontschwesters? --Habilemonkac (talk) 12:08, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (and rewrite) based on review. The article is badly written and has serious WP:RS issues. If the topic is notable for a stand alone article, it should be rewritten from scratch. Kierzek (talk) 15:22, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - There is a Nursing in Germany.  Should not there be a more generic article first on Nursing during World War II or Nursing in Nazi Germany? I'm thinking of WP:TNT. Bearian (talk) 18:07, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete and start over, starting with Nursing in Nazi Germany. Agree that it falls underWP:TNT. BakerStMD T&#124;C 18:56, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Jimmy Wales did not start a wikipedia called the "We never create subtopic articles before a main-topic article"-wikipedia.  This "Foreign volunteers for nursing for Germany during World War II"-article is a subtopic of Nursing in Germany. (I agree that there also is a need for numerous new articles about subtopics of "Nursing in Germany", but that really should not be a focus of the discussion on this page.) However a relevant question is, should this article be renamed (perhaps "Foreign volunteering for nursing for Germany during World War II"). Also one should be aware that the topic of the Norwegian Frontschwesters (and their  Frontsøster nursing assistants) is a politicized topic  in Norway: The president of a large humanitarion organization here, said this year about the Norwegian ["SS nurses"] Frontschwesters [and their nursing assistants], that it is never wrong for nurses to give first aid to soldiers! I have steered away from this topic in this article, in part because the coverage of that topic and other topics in the (Norwegian) Frontsøster article, have a slanted POV:  these "SS nurses" only did humanitarian work, and should never have been convicted. If we delete this article, maybe we will all feel better about sweeping the topic of the humanitarianism of the "Germanic" SS nurses, under the carpet. Jimmy Wales did not start "The Feelgood Wikipedia", but such a wikipedia might be a desired evolution for a majority on this thread? --Habilemonkac (talk) 09:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.