Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Forgotten Planets


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. As always, users whose first edit is to this discussion were given less weight than established Wikipedians. Chick Bowen 04:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Forgotten Planets
Non-notable game. "Small fanbase", "in testing phase", "will not be released for a long while". Contested prod. Weregerbil 09:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep "Small Fanbase" isnt really that small, there are over 500 people on the forums alone. It is in a testing phase much like Dark Throne, in that it is still playable in the testing phase. FP has been running for over 2 years and it is constantly being upgraded.--Terlob 09:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep Even though the game may be small in comparison to games like runescape and darkthrone, forgotten planets player base is strong. Most of the people that play forgotten planets would state it's a great game. I personally do not think that forgotten planets is in testing phase anymore as the DEVS have said they will always continue to release new features to the game. --Lowrie 10:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Note Above is only edit from new editor Lowrie. Fan1967 16:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep - I also am aware of this game's notability and I have no interest in the things. - Richardcavell 12:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Note This article wasnt made with promotion in mind, it was made as an encyclopedic article for the information of viewers. --Terlob 01:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is an advertisement. Brian G. Crawford 15:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per weregerbil. Non-notable game. Wikipedia is definitely not "a resource to get new players." - Fan1967 16:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Moonlit Software gets only 17 Ghits. Website itself gets 417 Ghits, mostly spam from the site promoter. Bige1977
 * Question. Where do you get your information from? It seems that whomever provided them is incorrect -- besides, what does hit count matter anyway? If numbers really are important, I could provide an accurate 3rd party who would provide the numbers.Chumad 21:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete and the comment about using Wikipedia is the final straw, Wikipedia is not a website to advertise your non-notable games. JoshuaZ 20:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Lowrie. Wikipedia Wikipedia is not a soapbox, or a vehicle for propaganda or advertising. -- Saberwyn 23:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * After my post, User:Terlob deleted "This game will use wikipedia as a resource to get new players." from User:Lowrie's comments above. -- Saberwyn 08:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Advertisement. Borisblue 23:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep This page is not an advertisement, It does not glorify the game, or say "COME JOIN NOW!"  This page is a resource, for people that are new to the game.  They can come to wikipedia and see what it is about.  There are no one sided views, it is written as an encyclopedia article, not as an advertisement, no reason to be deleted.--OKH 20:50, 29 april 2006 (UTC) User has six edits.


 * KEEP This game, like any other game has the exact same rights to be an article inside of Wikipedia.  Who, those who say delete, are you to decide what games stay and what games go?  Does this game not get the same rights as others who have articles in Wikipedia already?  There is nothing wrong with starting a new article about an ongoing game that has reached a lot of people.  There is no advertisement for FP, its just like any other game article.  If anybody deletes the Forgotten Planets Wiki page, I will rebuild it every time and protest that every other game in Wikipedia be deleted also.

BIG Tuna 01:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep This game has made astounding achievements and been given incredibly high reviews.  G4tv came close to showing it on national television even.  The player involvement in the game is legendary and Forgotten Planets just keeps reaching new heights.  Delete this article and in the future you'll find yourself wishing you hadn't.  It's a success story, a story of what a game should be like, clean, fun, with players influencing how it is made, astounding graphics, and so much more.

Bruno4444 02:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Forged signature Above vote was created by 68.186.65.240 (contribs). There is no user Bruno4444. Fan1967 03:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: Fan1967's comment was blanked out by an anon. Borisblue 05:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

KeepThough there are not millions of people playing FP, the community is quite unique, The relationship between Developers and players is quite unique and they work hard to keep the game running well, and they listen to suggestions placed on the forums. The gameplay is also quite different that any other mmorpg that i have played. Beta testing ended almost 8 months ago. If you consider this phase of the game development the testing phase, then forgotten planets will never leave the testing phase, the developers are always working on new ways to make the game better and funner to play. I have been playing this game since almost the beginning of beta testing, and the developers keep adding stuff to keep the game interesting. I think that this game has been out long enough, and has a dedicated enough fanbase to be allowed a page on wikipedia. If other games get to have pages without anyone complaining, then why cant Forgotten Planets, ask any player and they will say that it deserves it.A crazy cranium 07:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment User's first edit. JoshuaZ 07:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Question. Can those making the claims here demonstrate through the use of externally verifiable information taken from reliable, third-party sources that this MMORPG meets any of the criteria listed at the Notability (web) inclusion guideline, or the current incarnation of the proposed Notability (software) inclusion guidleine? -- Saberwyn 08:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator and the Q's Saberwyn brought up above. --AbsolutDan (talk) 18:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-noteable game with no apparent third party sources, i.e. video game magazines, having given in depth previews/reviews, and no substantial sales / influence. --Ataricodfish 23:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

You want your 3rd party source? OMGN. They are 3rd party, they have featured Forgotten Planets. Here is the link to the review http://www.omgn.com/reviews.php?Item_ID=34. Any more reasons why it should be deleted? --OKH 20:51, 30 April 2006 (CST)


 * Response Actually, yes, such as lack of video game magazines which have given in depth previews and reviews, information on substantial sales, and it's influence on other games, to demonstrate why it is notable, as per my comment above.  --Ataricodfish 02:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Respone (to Response) Look at Tibia, it hasn't been covered by video game magazines, it has no substantial sales, i havent seen much games influenced by it,  Yet it has a page.  Why?  If Forgotten Planets' page gets taken down, i will go on a crusade to take down all these game pages.  --OKH 15:39, 1 May 2006 (CST)


 * Response You're more than welcome to nominate, within reason, any article you feel qualifies for deletion.  When that page is nominated, a vote will occur just like this one, and if a consensus is reached, the page will remain or be deleted, depending on the outcome.  This vote, however, is only for Forgotten Planets.  Pointing to other articles does not increase the notability of this article.  If your crusade uncovers other unnotable articles, I appreciate your help, as they too should be deleted if they're similar to this one.  My vote on this article, however, remains delete. --Ataricodfish 21:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * OKH: Don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. If there are other articles that are not noteworthy, yes, they should be nominated for deletion as well. Discuss the merits of this article here and please respect the outcome, don't threaten to attack other pages solely on the basis of the outcome here. --AbsolutDan (talk) 21:43, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm the original creator of the game. I agree, we are "small" and could probably be considered as in testing. Though, as has been pointed out we'll probably always be in a testing phase since our community is always offering suggestions as to what to add -- basically, there's no foreseeable end to the programming and development of ForgottenPlanets. If our entire "existence" is based on forever development, then what's wrong with being "in testing" that should eliminate our entry to the Wiki? In fact, that alone makes us a unique entry. In addition, many other games have been in Beta/Testing and still had articles on Wiki - those games are classified the same as us and yet they are still here.

I do believe that the existence of this page in of itself shows the loyalty of the fan-base. I was unaware of the page's existence until recently. I do believe it should be pointed out that all opinions expressed here are not endorsed by Moon Lit Software and should not be taken advertisements, but simply the fans' excitement about the game.

'''In either case, for all fans of the game who want to post here, please keep things civil. Threats of other deletions won't help anyone's cause and only ruins what Wiki is.''' Chumad 20:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.