Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Former Baltimore Area (MTA) Bus Routes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus to delete. So merging is now an editorial decision (doesn't require an AFD). I'm not convinced there are fundamental verifiability issues here, but sourcing should be improved. W.marsh 20:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Former Baltimore Area (MTA) Bus Routes

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I'm bringing this to AfD, rather than submit a prod to bring this to debate. I'm a resident of Baltimore, and while I find this to be interesting (and if the article is kept, I'll be adding onto it), it reeks of listcruft. I don't see the need to list all defunct bus routes from major metropolitian bus routes. Wildthing61476 17:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Saving this article

I am trying to figure out, before it gets deleted, exactly what I can do to save it.

The reason why I started writing this article was as a compromise I had worked out with several editors who wanted to delete other articles I wrote on the same topic. They suggested I could do this instead.

I have written an article on defunct bus lines in order to support other articles I have written on current bus routes. The articles about the current routes mention their predecessors and lines they have absorbed, and with an article like this, links can be provided to describe the parent lines.

Please let me know what I can do so this article will not be deleted.Sebwite 22:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge back into List of surface transit routes in the Baltimore Metropolitan Area. Wikipedia is "timeless"; if we list current objects we should list former ones too. Some of these were formerly streetcar lines, which gives them extra "notability". It should probably be cleaned up, with details included in articles about the current routes wherever possible. For instance, Route 2 can be part of the Route 10 article; Route 6, since its original trunk was the Curtis Bay Line streetcar, can be part of the Route 64 article, etc. Many bus routes are definitely notable; it's simply a matter of going into newspaper archives and finding the coverage. Grand Concourse buses is an example of this. --NE2 23:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge if any sources can be found to document the truth of the claims. Otherwise Delete. I could make up a horse drawn Number 7 Route which served in 1875 and a battery powered Bus Number 8 which ran in 1893 and a Number 10 Cable Car which ran in 1899 and add them to the list, and who could say otherwise than they were as valid as any of the others? The material is a bit interesting, but how can its presence in Wikipedia be justified when no reference whatsoever is made to even a history of the transit system? The info had to come from something besides living memory, so whoever created the article is obligated to add a reference for their source or sources. Fails WP:A. Edison 04:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I rewrote the history of the No. 6 streetcar line and added references. The rest is beyond my ability to find references for, but they certainly exist, at least in the form of old maps and schedules, and newspaper articles. shows an article that confirms the 2/10 merger, and  has some others about the recent changes.  is not a reliable source, but is a good resource for finding the changes to look for sources for. --NE2 06:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, I think the Route 6 information would still be better as part of the Route 64 article. --NE2 06:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The purpose of this article is to be a supplement for the article List of surface transit routes in the Baltimore Metropolitan Area and other similar articles on buses. This way, for example, if someone were reading about Route 10, saw the passage that explained that the western half of this route was once a separate line called Route 2, and they wondered what was route 2?, they could come to this page and find the answer.

I made this into a separate page to reduce confusion that would take place, should the two pages be one.

I already have a list I have compiled of links to newspaper articles that I use to reference various bus route changes on Wikipedia. These links come from The Baltimore Sun and other community papers. I keep this list well-organized. However, I cannot place them there all at once, as it is logistically difficult to keep on going back and forth between different windows.Sebwite 21:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, you should definitely cite them. All you really have to do is ; that's enough for anyone to find the article to verify. --NE2 00:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


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