Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Forward Degree College (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. ⇌ Jake   Wartenberg  01:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Forward Degree College
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This article was previously nominated with the argument "Unaccredited tertiary institution. Fails WP:CORP, WP:SIGCOV, and may quite possibly fall into the range of Unambiguous advertising or promotion." It was kept, however, under the argument that it passed WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. That essay, however, very clearly states that "keep" is the common outcome for independently accredited institutions, not just for all educational institutions in general. I'm not sure if the essay has changed since then, if there is information pointing to an actual accreditation (I can't seem to find any) or if the !voters simply did not actually read the essay, but regardless this article requires some sort of significant coverage in multiple independent sources to be kept. Yaksar (let's chat) 15:52, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Also (not that this alone should be a reason for deletion), this article seems to have been created by a single purpose editor, lending further doubts to its notability.--Yaksar (let's chat) 15:54, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Question Yaksar, have you searched for coverage in reliable sources in Urdu? Unless an Urdu speaker asserts that sources are lacking, I can't support deletion. See WP:SYSTEMICBIAS.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  16:59, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * My Urdu is basically non-existent. If someone were to find Urdu sources I would certainly withdraw this nomination. However, I would not feel comfortable simply waiting for Urdu sources to show up for a few reasons:
 * There's no equivalent article on the Urdu wikipedia. This obviously isn't a deal breaker by any stretch, but its existence would allow an easy solution to this problem.
 * The certainly notable "affiliated university" doesn't seem to have any extant discussion or information on this college. Additionally, the .tk url gives me pause.
 * Unaccredited institutions do not receive inherent notability. Therefore this topic does not have any presumption of notability, and significant coverage in reliable sources needs to be found.
 * Given that the website of the university is in English and does not seem to offer an Urdu equivalent, one might expect at least some sort of available sourcing in English.
 * If this was a case where the independent english sourcing was simply weak I would feel more comfortable waiting for Urdu sourcing, but given that there is not indication at all that any is available in any language I would not. I agree that system bias is a major issue for Wikipedia, but that means we should be working to create more articles on notable topics of other cultures, not simply allowing articles that at most hold dubious notability without any proof of even basic notability.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:08, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:49, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep - way premature renomination of an institution kept in AfD in January 2013. Flawed nomination in any case; this college is affiliated with the University of Peshawar which thus provides accreditation of its degrees. TerriersFan (talk) 01:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * First of all, especially for one with a non-admin closure waiting over a month is not grounds for a speedy keep. Additionally, you're going to have to provide some sort of independent source showing that there's the university is accredited (actually, it doesn't even have to be independent. A University of Peshawar source would do equally well) or else your claim doesn't really have any merit, since right now the only evidence we have of accreditation is self-made).--Yaksar (let's chat) 13:17, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I have created this page and the website forwarddegreecollege.tk. I am student of this institute and I have created this page and website. The website is created by me and is not powered officially so that why domain is of .tk. For your confirmation you can visit this site Urdu News Paper Link English News Paper Link (These are the snapshot of ads extracted from aaj(urdu word, 'today' in english) news paper). Link to website for your clarification that institute is registered http://www.secp.gov.pk/ns/company.asp?COMPANY_CODE=0035280&id= 14:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)Syedowaisalichishti (talk)
 * Ah, excellent, maybe you can help us out here. While the link you gave does seem to prove that the school is registered as a business, what we need is something that shows that it is accredited. In the case of Pakistan I guess this would mean that it was certified by the Higher Education Commission of Pakistan. Alternatively, if you could show us some sources in any language from independent sources providing significant coverage of the university that would help show that it is notable. Thank you!--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:39, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * In Pakistan, colleges are not affiliated with HEC they are affiliated with education board or university, Only universities are affiliated with HEC. In case of this college it is affiliated with University of Peshawar and BISE(Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education). I am attaching pages of college prospectus which claims that they are affiliated with UOP,BISE,BTE Image1(Prospectus Front Page),Image 2(Some other info), Image 3(Page which claim to be affliated wth UOP, BISE, BTE.)Syedowaisalichishti (talk) 10:32, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It is affiliated with the University of Peshawar - http://secure.britishcouncil.org/pakistan-educationuk-country-partnership-institution-university-of-peshawar.pdf - so it doesn't need separate accreditation. TerriersFan (talk) 00:11, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 14:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Degree-awarding tertiary institution affiliated with an accredited university. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:33, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly.Syedowaisalichishti (talk) 17:51, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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