Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Founding races from the Malazan Book of the Fallen series (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. While there is not a numerical consensus for deletion, per WP:DGFA I must weigh comments in the light of applicable policies and guidelines. The reason cited for deletion is failure to comply with WP:N, a widely applied guideline supported by very substantial consensus, that requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" for inclusion. The "keep" opinions do not address these requirements or whether or not the article meets them. This means I may not take them into account when closing this discussion.  Sandstein  06:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Founding races from the Malazan Book of the Fallen series
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Been challenged for 6 months for being unsourced. Does not indicate encyclopedic notability. I'm nominating again after deleting the challenged unsourced material. Before it's deleted, fans are free to copy it from history log to a non encyclopedic fan wiki. -- Jeandré (talk), 2009-11-08t12:33z 12:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep/Comment - You have nominated this article and similar articles before for deletion, so I am not surprised it has come up again. However, I find the fact that you deleted most of the text in the page before nominating it for deletion very suspicious, for lack of a better word. If the information in the article is truly non-notable, it will be found out here. I do not see it as being non-notable however. It is a big-selling/popular series and so it is inevitable that information from the series is going to make it to Wikipedia. This information is relevant to the series, however there is a lot of information, and to include this in the series article is just not going to be possible without making the article enormous, so a separate article is the logical conclusion. Alan16 (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This sort of combination article is the way to handle the topics. Seems like an ovvious solution to me--perfectly fair, since neither extreme party will really like it: the ones who want to build up each to an extensive article, nor  the ones who want to eliminate mention entirely. Time we finally rejected  the views of both of those extremes and terminate this whole class of AfDs. .    DGG ( talk ) 20:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete- If the concept of these "founding races" could be backed by reliable, independent sources then there would be no problem with this article. But this material has apparently been challenged as being unsourced for six months and its defenders have been unwilling or unable to demonstrate anything of the sort. And I can't find anything beyond Wikipedia, its many mirrors and fan sites. I may also add that Invading races from the Malazan Book of the Fallen series is just as horrible. Reyk  YO!  22:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep/Comment per DGG. Also, in my view, though these Malazan/Erikson articles need a tremendous amount of work, they are based on a huge fantasy series which is not yet complete. Working on these article is time consuming, but they can be cleaned up and sourced. Deleting them is not a good solution, in my view. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.