Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Four Seas Company


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. It seems that the article is now passing the WP:GNG and fellow Wikipedians have also voted in favour of keeping this article. (non-admin closure) Abishe (talk) 10:14, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Four Seas Company

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No clear existence of this company. The article doesn't cite any inline citations and fails WP:GNG. Abishe (talk) 10:41, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Speedy delete per nom. Couldn't find anything about it on Google though could find some stuff of Google Books about the parent company, Bruce Humphries, Inc suggested in the article. Unverifiable article. Should definitely be deleted.--WikiAviator (talk) 11:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Can't find anything in independent sources that establishes it's notability. It possibly is notable for being the publisher that gave those authors their first break, but no one has written about that fact to say that the company is notable. - X201 (talk) 12:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Change to Keep Original delete was based on being unable to get any online sources like below to show up. Wasn't disputing the offline ones, but usually something of some kind shows up in a search. May be worth using the text field in the reference template to quote the offline sources if someone has access to them. - X201 (talk) 10:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep: Sorry, I'm confused. There are three citations on the article that back up the claims:
 * Adventures in American Bookshops, Antique Stores and Auction Rooms by Guido Bruno, Douglas Bookshop (1922)
 * American Literary Publishing Houses, 1900-1980: Trade and Paperback ed by Peter Dzwonkoski, Gale Literary Research Center (1986)
 * This New York Times article from 1922
 * The first two are old dead-tree sources, and probably not accessible on Google Books, but per AGF, they exist and can be located through specialist sources. But it seems like the people participating in this discussion are acting like those citations don't exist, and we should speedily delete the article because it's unverifiable. Am I missing something? -- Toughpigs (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , no, I think you're right. The nom is mistaken. Sources do not have to be available online or easy to find. The coverage in the NYT is pretty brief: "The Brazilian Centenary Exposition lends interest to the announcement that two books recently published by The Four Seas Company are the only examples of Brazilian literature so far translated into English." The company is then notable (per the NYT) for being the first to publish Brazilian literature in English translation. A search on the timesmachine shows four additional articles that mention "Four Seas Company". Keep Vexations (talk) 22:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually NY Times articles are renowned for single-sentence coverage of companies. I got paywalled in TimeMachine bcuz I'm not a subscriber. Is this the only sentence you could find in that article that mentions the company or are there even more? Thanks. In that case I don't think the article complies with WP:CORPDEPTH.WikiAviator (talk) 03:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Here are some more sources.
 * From William Faulkner, Life Glimpses by Louis Daniel Brodsky, University of Texas Press (2011):

"Notwithstanding, on June 20, 1923, William Faulker took the initiative to write the Four Seas Company of Boston, offering for possible publication a collection of poems, some of which may have been revised from earlier versions of Vision in Spring, a typed, eighty-eight-page booklet Faulkner hand-bound in 1921. He had entitled this manuscript Orpheus, and Other Poems. It was rejected more by Faulkner than by the publishing firm that had offered to publish it if money were advance for its printing costs. Instead, Faulkner assembled a different manuscript consisting of poems written during the months of April, May, and June 1919 entitled The Marble Faun... Apparently satisfied that the Faulkner/Stone consortium would subvent the four hundred dollars required for publication of the projected volume of poetry Faulkner had sent, the Four Seas Company proceeded with typesetting and had page proofs to Faulkner by late September 1924... Stone's offerings were accompanied by a simple, yet suggestive, proviso: Four Seas would be free to make use of any of these new poems, provided that Faulkner would have unencumbered right to them for his next book."


 * Boston University has a collection called Publishing William Carlos Williams: selected correspondence, which collects Williams' correspondence with the Four Seas Company.
 * The Archives at Yale also has a collection of Gertrude Stein's correspondence with the Four Seas Company.
 * See also Gertrude Stein: The Language That Rises: 1923-1934 by Ulla E. Dydo and William Rice, Northwestern University Press (2003). -- Toughpigs (talk) 04:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Here is the excerpt from American Literary Publishing Houses along with the history of their "Contemporary Series." Seems to meet notability guidelines. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 04:35, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per and . Gritmem (talk) 08:23, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: as significant publisher for Yone Noguchi among others; see UC Berkeley Bancroft library collection of Noguchi letters to Brown ("Yone Noguchi letters, 1918-1923." )--Icuc2 (talk) 05:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


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