Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foysal Ahmed Fahim


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There are some sources, but I think there's is c9nsensus that those are ot sufficient for GNG Fenix down (talk) 07:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Foysal Ahmed Fahim

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Footballer who fails GNG and NFOOTY BlameRuiner (talk) 08:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: More time for further discussion needed, there seem to be at least two sources in the article which could indicate GNG due to their length, but language barrier is making things difficult
 * Delete a non-notable footballer. Not every 18-year-old who kicks a ball in a formal game is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:42, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, no international caps yet = too soon for an article. GiantSnowman 18:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets GNG with significant coverage of his national team call-up. I'm also quickly finding a lot of routine (non-GNG) English coverage of him one, two, three that spell his first name as 'Faisal' rather than 'Foysal' - so perhaps this article should be moved to Faisal Ahmed Fahim. Nfitz (talk) 23:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 08:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - meets WP:FOOTYN, we in WP:FOOTY generally keep players who are playing in country's top league, actually help us in keeping records properly. Though its a stub now, but don't see a problem, have a scope of expanding. Drat8sub (talk) 11:49, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Not true, please do not disinform the voters. We in NFOOTY generally keep players from fully-pro league, regardless of the level. --BlameRuiner (talk) 12:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Disinform ?? I think that's what you are doing, not me., oops !! , Bangladesh Premier League (football) is the top most professional league of Bangladesh. Shall I assume that you never heard of Bangladesh. Countries' top leagues are generally professional leagues only and the winners/runners-up often play in continental level. Drat8sub (talk) 20:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * League calling itself Professional is not enough for it to actually be fully-professional. Please read the list of leagues that are assessed by FOOTY project as fully-pro here: WP:FPL. Bangladeshi league is not fully-pro, as about 50 other top level leagues. --BlameRuiner (talk) 21:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup, A project that cannot define, I've gone through WP:FPL project much before I place my comment. Secondly, this also shows the clubs are paying or trying to pay the salary in pandemic also, no doubt in normal time they use to pay salary. Drat8sub (talk) 00:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep scrapes though WP:GNG there is  coverage in Bengali Language and subject has received a national callup and won a Golden boot ,subject is 18 years and currently playing see little point in deleting it.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:FOOTY, and I think fails WP:GNG except locally.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "locally" User:Ortizesp? There's national media coverage - and what does "local" mean in a city of over 20 million people? Nfitz (talk) 20:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Does not fail WP:FOOTY, as I've previously mentioned, per WP:FOOTYN, played in professional league and competitive fixtures between professional clubs. Drat8sub (talk) 20:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This league is listed at WP:FPL as not fully professional. If you have proof otherwise, you need to provide it User:Drat8su - otherwise there's no debating that it fails FOOTYN. Nfitz (talk) 23:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I know it has listed, but upon what criteria, the project listed without defining the most important point, "what is a fully professional league?" Am I missing here anything else? Let me know. Drat8sub (talk) 00:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I mentioned the criteria in the other thread - "the players on all teams are full-time paid players". i.e. they don't have other jobs on the side. Are there references that support this? Though it's moot here, as this one meets GNG Nfitz (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well FOOTYN clearly says, for league notability, . I don't understand why the "fully" professional even become so important here when BPL champions/runners up are playing at the continental level. For salary thing I've mentioned above in the other discussion under my initial comment. The whole wikipedia is full of many european 2nd tier league players if I am not wrong, and here we are discussing if to keep it or not, a player who is playing in his country's premier league and which passes significant coverage. Drat8sub (talk) 03:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * But User:Drat8sub, WP:FOOTYN clearly says The player section of this notability guidance has been superseded by WP:Notability (sports), and is included below for information only as a record of the previous guidance that the Footy project came up with. The criteria in use for the last decade is at WP:NFOOTY and says Players who have played, and managers who have managed, in a competitive game between two teams from fully professional leagues will generally be regarded as notable. Second tier leagues are often fully professional in some countries - even fourth tier leagues occasionally. The criteria is clear - it may not be fair, and it surely has WP:BIAS, but it is clear - so arguing that the player plays in the top league in the country get's no where. You either need to provide references that GNG is met (which I believe is the case for this particular player), or that the league is actually fully professional (which means the players on all teams are full-time, and don't have other employment). Nfitz (talk) 18:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 07:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No real experience yet and certainly fails NFOOTY. Perhaps draftify, but I would rather delete. No Great Shaker (talk) 20:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --SalmanZ (talk) 20:55, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


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