Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fr. Christoforos Schuff


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The result was   delete. (Although there appear to be three Keep !votes here, they're all by the same person) Black Kite (t) (c) 00:07, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Fr. Christoforos Schuff

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Person notable for a single event, and that event not all that notable in itself. Not notable as a musician at all. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom; the event doesn't meet notability guidelines, and the musician part is not relevant at all. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 14:06, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:BIO, and should be deleted per WP:BLP1E. The one incident of allowing "church asylum" does not confer notability on every person involved. The incident itself might merit an article if it had sufficient coverage for a sufficient time over a large enough geographic area to satisfy Notability (events). Does not appear to satisfy Notability (music) either. Edison (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * KeepDO NOT DELETE: The subject of this article fulfills the requirements of Notability (music) i.e. at least two of the WP:MUSICBIO criteria, namely criterion 1: "published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries" (note documentary of Spring 2011 broadcast nationally on NRK and criterion 12: "Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network". The majority of various newspaper and radio/TV coverage since 2006 has profiled Schuff's musical activities as one of several notable features .Lapoderosa 00:17, 8 October 2011


 * CommentAdditional Notes: 1) "Fr." is a title and might be considered for removal from main title and inserted into the article itself. 2) Due to the foreign nature of the name "Christoforos", there have been up to 7 - 8 misnomers created across various media channels in Norway, making it difficult to search/verify/identify the subject. 3) At least in Norway, the subject has been featured in news (TV), books, magazines and newspapers up to several times a year since 2006/2007. Lapoderosa 00:27, 8 October 2011
 * Comment Could you please provide some examples of these articles, please? Stephen! Coming... 10:30, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment A partial list exists in the reference list of the article itself (various TV programs on the NRK are not available outside of Scandinavia and thus may be difficult to view). The majority of sources are in Norwegian and direct access to online versions of print articles are subject to subscription for the electronic versions. Further sources (not full): (Article) God helg Magazine, 24 December, 2010 (Full front cover, + pp. 8 - 9, print only); (Book) Steffenach, Hill-Aina. Hodeplagg (ISBN 978-82-92804-02-5) pp. 78 - 79 & p. 115; (Book) Spanos, Apostolos. Codex Lesbiacus Leimonos 11 (p. viii); (TV) ; (TV), etc, etc. With all due respect, is this whole discussion a case of Americentrism? Lapoderosa 17:10, 9 October 2011


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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 03:53, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Are any of these inaccessible sources more than passing references? They sound like routine coverage which would not establish notability. Edison (talk) 03:15, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment and *Keep. A television documentary broadcast nationally on the largest TV channel in Norway NRK on a Sunday evening (not late night cable, etc.) is hardly a "passing reference". Again, the subject DOES fulfill at least two WP:MUSICBIO criteria, namely criterion 1: "published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries" and criterion 12: "Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network" (subject is featured nationally including interviews and music in a good time slot on the largest radio station in Norway, NRK P1). If the guideleines have been understood correctly, only one such requirement fulfilled is neccesary, yet the subject fulfills several in addition to other interviews, print and media coverage. All references are verifiable. Lapoderosa 00:17, 17 October 2011 (CEST)


 * References Many (but not all) articles may be purchased online here [], just search for "Schuff". Lapoderosa 10:17, 17 October 2011 (CEST)
 * Delete per nom; the event doesn't meet notability guidelines. --Kylfingers (talk) 18:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Again, if you look at the dates of all the articles combined there is not merely one single event or date, but many and numerous forms of coverage on the person since 2006. The single event was at an earlier stage of the article. What part of "substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network" various times including a documentary, print and radio coverage does not meet the requirements specified in WP:MUSICBIO criteria? ? ? Lapoderosa 21:39, 20 October 2011 (CEST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapoderosa (talk • contribs)
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