Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fr Dominic Valanmanal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 05:40, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Fr Dominic Valanmanal

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At the most he is a Televangelist, the organization he found is not notable.Other than that there is little to no mention in reliable sources. Daiyusha (talk) 06:20, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:57, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:58, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * added more reference links, he is an emerging icon of christian community and serving Usa,uk and Asian region etc. he is not a Televangelist, he has million of followers on YouTube and social media etc and he is focusing his Conventions all over the world not organization he found, we can see millions of audience on his Conventions (please refer YouTube link) Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment He has 27k subscribers on YouTube.That is very less for establishing notability in 2019.Also people who preach religion on TV are called televangelists, which as you mentioned in your article, he does. Daiyusha (talk) 08:37, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Christians are minorities in india, There is no one have more than 20k followers in india (community).27k subscribers on YouTube means he is popular.and this article not only for Indians but also everyone from the different countries, i dont know which language is this but just check this link Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

My point is, this person is acceptable in Europe so this article provide short description about him, his other bio and description are in Malayalam. English and wiki article helps everyone, please rectify me if i am wrong Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I would recommend you find news artices, malayalam too,about him. If he is really that popular, I believe newspapers like times and Hindu will mention him in Kochi, Trivandrum or ernakulam editions.The concept of minorities is relative, and for a place like India, Christians(with 2.3% of 1.1 Billion)are higher than the populations of most European countries. That is not the right way to judge youtube popularity, 27k is a small amount. Daiyusha (talk) 10:15, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * here is the some news link from British Malayalam paper and another news portal naradha news. the another thing is, he is not interest to make news and channel coverage, but he has 44,326 people likes on facebook and 49,130 followers, https://www.facebook.com/FrDominicValanmanal/  Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Actually there are quite a few people within the community who have much more subscribers. Fr Joseph Puthenpurackal has about 54K, Fr Bobby Jose Capuchin and K P Yohannan publishes Youtube videos via their respective TV channels and have much more subscribers. Both the references provided can be classified as blogs at best. So Delete this is.  Jupitus Smart  16:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Its not about subscribers, Fr Dominic Valanmanal conducting conventions for German natives and other region, you can see here link, so he is emerging icon in the community. the audience from allover the world so its a positive point. i think you should consider the point and user will get useful information from the article especially outsiders please rectify me if i am wrong Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has a minimum threshold of notability to qualify for an article. We do not allow articles on grounds that some people would be interested in reading/knowing about the subject. Until you can establish he is notable in his own right, the article would be deleted (Always sign your comments by appending 4 of the tilde ~ symbols to the end of your comment).  Jupitus Smart  03:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I know about notability and Biographies of living persons  Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I would be happier if we had an article on Krupabhishekam Convention, before one on its founder. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * definitely Krupabhishekam_Convention, added more data like countries and date about the Convention, under the Krupabhishekam Convention title, please take a look into it Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Activate I request to everyone, please remove this article from the delete section and activate the article Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 22:06, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Krupabhishekam Convention - most of the text of the Fr Dominic Valanmanal article is a direct copy from the Krupabhishekam Convention article - Epinoia (talk) 01:42, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Both are different one is Biographical also will add more content in future Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 02:49, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: None of the comments here are helpful in judging the article's suitability. Please focus on whether there is or is not a substantial amount of coverage about this individual in multiple reliable sources. Popularity, on YouTube or otherwise, is irrelevant, as is nationality.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:00, 8 May 2019 (UTC) Keep--he appears to be notable, as this ref given in the article is independent. Another third party source is this one. Along with the two independent Hindi language sources provided by Shanu-t-thankachan above in this discussion in the comment dated 09:47, 2 May 2019 this means he has four news sources documenting notability. Also, there are a large number of church bulletins and similar circulars discussing his speaking engagements in the US and Canada, demonstrating his international notability.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 18:08, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * News24Live is a blog and it has only 1 sentence, which goes as - 'Angamaly Bible convention Krupabishekam animated by Fr Dominic Valanmanal' followed by a video. The Dagen reference mentions him as one of the charismatic leaders active in that area, and that's about it. There are no Hindi references provided and the refs you seem to be indicating are in Malayalam, and are also blogs which are not reliable sources or considered good enough to impart any notability to the people mentioned therein (the 1st ref is more of an advertisement for the convention and the 2nd is yellow journalism at its best - none of which talk about the person concerned in any detail).  Jupitus Smart  15:35, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * We can see lot of PDF, news links, blogs, youtube videos regarding "Fr Dominic Valanmanal" also i remembering you that india have 22 language's and Hindi is not a popular language in South india and kerala,so dont ask about HINDI links, provided lot of news links for reference like this, but i dont know why your not considering this things or you have any hidden agenda under religion base Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I merely stated that the references are in Malayalam and not in Hindi, just to clarify. That does not mean that I asked for Hindi references. If you are insinuating that I am anti-Christian, then you can take a look at my page and decide for yourself.  Jupitus Smart  01:59, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You crated St. Joseph's Cathedral, Imphal with 5 references and references are from local Blog and 2 religion websites, i have 1000+ cathedrals around me, is it okey to create pages with 2,4 references ?   in the case of "Fr Dominic Valanmanal" i provided news links from some different resources, also here we can see, you created a page called Ashvin_Mathew, reference from  indiatimes both seems PAID news LINK 1 LINK 2 and LINK 3 haven't mention his name, as a contributor, why your not check this and i have doubtful about your contribution Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 06:21, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


 * If you have the audacity to call Times of India and The Hindu as paid news outlets, why don't you start a deletion discussion and see what others think about that. Cathedrals normally qualify as notable because of their place in the religious hierarchy, but you are free to start a discussion for that as well.  Jupitus Smart  16:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Keep I agree with Epiphyllumlover. There are enough sources indicating that he is notable. --PluniaZ (talk) 19:47, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note - just a note that the WP:PLEASEDONT comments are from the article creator, Shanu-t-thankachan - Epinoia (talk) 23:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

* Keep I worked so hard on this article.Please Keep this article Shanu-t-thankachan (talk) 04:09, 13 May 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Seems like there is some disagreement about whether there are sources that satisfy WP:SIGCOV which needs to be sorted out. Only 2-3 people have commented on them so far.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:37, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I do not see, and can't find, any WP:SIGCOV in independent sources. There is one independent source in the article, News24Live, which as another editor has stated above has one sentence and a video (which I am unable to view, so I don't know whether it's an interview, video of him speaking, or what). Dagen is also an independent source, but the only reference to him is a caption on a photo. I am unable to search for sources in Malayalam, but none have been provided in the two weeks this AfD has been running. Nothing about what he does or has achieved gives him presumed notability under Wikipedia guidelines (that is, I see nothing that would meet WP:RELPEOPLE). However important he may be to the Catholic Church, or some part of it, he does not yet qualify for a Wikipedia article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * DELETE - Not much in the way of coverage WP:SIGCOV. The article is essentially the same as that of the linked convention, which also implies insufficient notability. As an aside, regardless of anything else, both articles need to have the 'upcoming events' removed WP:NOTDIR.
 * Delete notability questionable, but, even more important, the article is essentially advertising, complete with a list of future appearance. This should really have been removed via G11.  DGG ( talk ) 23:48, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


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