Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fram (Middle-earth)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Éothéod. History left intact for any merging that's desired. ~ mazca  talk 22:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Fram (Middle-earth)

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Nothing to say about this character, not sure we need to recreate the genealogy of Lord Of the Rings by giving every minor mention it's own article. Ridernyc (talk) 21:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to Éothéod. De728631 (talk) 22:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, along with Frumgar and Léod. I don't care if he did invent the oil filter. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:11, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * REdirect/Merge to Éothéod. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 04:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to Éothéod (which I can see being merged into somewhere else in the future). I don't see why deletion is necessary when a redirect will do as fine and still allows the name to show up in categories (Category:Middle-earth Men). Uthanc (talk) 06:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Because it's non-notable, unreferenced and not likely to ever be a search term. Ridernyc (talk) 10:41, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's likely to be a search term because it's Tolkien. Some will inevitably treat Wikipedia like a Tolkien encyclopedia site. I'm not saying we should keep every single scrap of info but there's a place for everything no matter how small. Uthanc (talk) 12:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I found no difficulty in adding a reference and there are better alternatives than deletion. Please see our deletion and editing policies. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect me, please ;-) The source given is a quote from LotR (a primary source), with an accompanying paragraph of text that is about Scatha the Worm (a dragon), just mentioning Fram in passing. It may not be difficult to add a reference, but it may be very hard to find any significant coverage of Fram in reliable, independent sources. Fram (talk) 14:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * merge or redirect Every named tolkien character should be included, at least as a redirect, even for the backstory. . There's no possible reason why a redirect would be harmful. it will help some people: there is no name in Tokien that people may not look for. . Redirect are an easy compromise in situations like this    DGG ( talk ) 21:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.