Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/François Ozenda


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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

François Ozenda

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GNG fail ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - They were an Outsider artist - I always find it a little complex when searching for notability in these artists who fall outside of the mainstream of the artworld. I did find some mentions online about them, most of them are auction sites and Outsider/Folk Art type galleries tho (and one is even listed on Etsy!), but the only two that might establish notability are six works in the Museum l'Arte Brut in Lausanne, Swizerland and two works in the Musée de la Création France Art Brut et Apparentés (the latter I'm not familiar with)  which I'm not familiar with. There are a few mentions on Google Books, but I don't know if they are significant. Netherzone (talk) 14:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, That there was an academic journal published for 27 years titled Bulletin de l'Association Les Amis de François Ozenda or "Journal of the association of Friends of François Ozenda" is very good evidence of passing WP:NARTIST #1 and #4. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 04:45, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I looked that publication up. it is published by "the friends of François Ozenda". If you read this article, he is described (in French) as an outsider artist, and his three friends who were responsible for the journal are described as trying to make a name for him after death: "un artiste marginal, dont l'œuvre, à sa mort, aurait tout simplement pu tomber dans l'oubli." Translation: "an outsider artist, whose work would have simply been forgotten after his death." The bulletin is not a peer-reviewed academic journal. It's a bulletin produced by his surviving friends.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  08:10, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom . GNG fail Celestina007 (talk) 11:57, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per WP:BEFORE - online searches find potential sources. Bearian (talk) 18:38, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * those are quite weak sources. The GBooks link returns several pages of results in French, which I read. The snippets show only one in the first two pages discussing anything in-depth: the society promoting his work. Most of the GBooks sources are name checks. Several are illustration credits. The scholar link returns twelve entries; 9 of them are from the same author. Seven of these lead to the publication title "Glanures n° 5. Bulletin de l’Association Les Amis de François Ozenda, Association Les Amis de François Ozenda..." so they are in essence promotional copy by the organization promoting his work. I would not call a "friends of" society a neutral entity.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep - based on works found in more than one museum collection, and sources found by u|Bearian. I think this article can be improved, but should not be deleted. Netherzone (talk) 19:34, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  NNADI GOOD LUCK  ( Talk &#124; Contribs ) 09:33, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


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