Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/France–Kosovo relations (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

France–Kosovo relations
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First, one of the countries in the article (Kosovo) has only existed as an independent nation since February 2008. That pretty much precludes there being any significant, ongoing, overarching coverage of the topic per WP:GNG. Second, there is only one source referenced in the entire text, and it is a website of the French government. This does not satisfy the requirements for reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject as outlined in WP:GNG. Third, virtually all of the unreferenced, essay-like text in the remainder of the article has to do with the actions of France leading up to Kosovo's declaration of independence. Therefore those events by definition have nothing to do with relations between France and Kosovo as Kosovo did not exist. Fourth, the only referenced content of the article is the location of only one of the countries' embassies. This information might be better served elsewhere in Wikipedia, but for the fact that Wikipedia is not a directory and this article's referenced content makes it, at best, a poor directory listing. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  17:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I think there is potentially enough to make acceptable, as it stands it is OK, but I agree the hundreds of articles started on relations with little content is a little irritating, Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I've come down both ways on these relations articles, but this is not a non-notable relation. It's a bit disingenuous to say that Kosovo's only a year old and so there can't be any relations. They declared independence in 2008, but they've been under UN administration since around 1999 in similar political form. This context is useful to an article on the relations between a permanent member of the Security Council and a country they were recently involved in militarily. There's lots of justification in the body text itself. Shadowjams (talk) 17:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep; there is clearly a significant relationship. I notice that there has now been a major initiative in the education field here. Smile a While (talk) 14:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Best covered in "Foreign relations of" articles about the two countries. No sources provided to show that the diplomatic relations between these two countries are notable, and it seems like a directory listing. Edison (talk) 18:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - This has a 4 paragraph section specifically about the diplomatic relations between the two. I agree it needs sources, but I disagree when you say that this one (as opposed to many of the others, as you well know) is a directory listing. Shadowjams (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge any useful content (of which there is precious little at present) into Foreign relations of Kosovo. - Biruitorul Talk 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep or Merge, the notability of Kosovo is not to be discussed...Ierrotpre (talk) 18:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep In this instance the importance of their relations is discussed in detail although without references. I also think full embassies and diplomatic exchanges in both countries is significant in this instance because Kosovo is not a francophone country and is relatively small in territory and population. Resources do exist to support the material, they just aren't cited. Drawn Some (talk) 19:39, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep France played an important role in Kosovo's separation from Serbia (a country with which France has historically had a very notable relationship with) and there's a significant ongoing relationship with Kosovo as demonstrated by the results of a Google search on 'France Kosovo'. Nick-D (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep major political events by any standard. Meets even the test of historical significance. DGG (talk) 05:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep; there is clearly a significant relationship. I notice that there has now been a major initiative in the education field here. Events before formal independence are relevant to present relations. Smile a While (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Keep Material provided in the article supports the claim of notability. Alansohn (talk) 00:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * NEW EVENTS HAVE MADE THESE AFDs IRRELEVANT We could really use some help with Foreign relations of Argentina by country, and merging these articles like this into the diplomacy of articles. Lets all work together to merge these articles instead of arguing about them. Thanks. Ikip (talk) 16:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.