Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frances Bean Cobain (3rd nomination)


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Non-admin close per WP:SNOW Save-Me-Oprah (talk)  10:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Frances Bean Cobain
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Non notable. Only notable for being the daughter of Cobain and Love; in which case, violates WP:NOTABLE, which states that relationships do not transfer notability. I suggest redirect to Kurt Cobain or Courtney Love. Save-Me-Oprah (talk) 06:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC) COMMENT TO ADMIN - Please check the history of this AfD. The nominator overwrote the existing second AfD, which was closed in December 2007. This should have been AfD #3.  &mdash;Torc.  ( Talk. ) 20:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Her having an article doesn't "violate" WP:NOTABLE, as that states that "failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included". She is notable simply for having been noted. She has been featured in People, Elle UK, Teen Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, ID magazine, and Australian News Weekly, amongst others. She has at least two fansites, and has been widely reported to be the next spokesmodel for Chanel. Owen (talk) 07:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep meets the primary notability standard which is multiple reliable references. This does not mean she is required to achieve something of merit on her own – that she is notable enough to be interviewed by the publications listed above by Owen means she is notable, whether by familial links or otherwise, not solely by virtue of her famous parents even if that is the reason she was interviewed. In addition, the previous AfD resulted in an almost unanimous keep – has something changed since then? --Canley (talk) 08:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep multiple references, and wide coverage from newspapers, magazines and other media. --Angelo (talk) 11:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per User:Owen's rationale —Preceding unsigned comment added by RedShiftPA (talk • contribs) 15:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, nontrivial coverage in reliable published sources. This coverage has not gone away since the last two AfDs, both of which closed with overwhelming keep votes. &lt;eleland/talkedits&gt; 11:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. In another ten years she may not be notable at all, or she may turn out to be more notable than either of her famous parents. Right now she's smack dab in the middle. 68.229.184.37 (talk) 12:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep - What's changed since the last snowball AfD keep? Also, please don't misinterpret WP:N's inheritance examples, which state that notability is not automatically transferred.  It doesn't mean that any coverage the transferee in the relationship receives because of the relationship can be disregarded; just that the relationship itself is not sufficient evidence of notability.  &mdash;Torc.  ( Talk.  ) 20:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep per my comments last time round.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 22:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Been here, done that. Majoreditor (talk) 01:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - We've already gone through this twice before. She's been the features of dozens of articles and several interviews. Nothing has changed since the last time we discussed this. Binarybits (talk) 04:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Info: I have split this AfD page's history between 2nd and 3rd nominations as requested to me by User:Muchness at 02:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


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