Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frances MacKeith


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The result was keep. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 12:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Frances MacKeith

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I created this page in 2018, but looking back at it I'm not seeing any coverage to establish notability. Obits in The Guardian and The Independent are both written by her daughter, so can't be considered independent, other coverage is either unreliable or local news. Maybe a redirect to her father, but I'm reluctant to redirect non-notable people to other people... Eddie891 Talk Work 17:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Actually, according to the ODNB, she edited a collection of her father's letters, so maybe a redirect would be apt? Eddie891 Talk Work 17:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  18:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  18:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. An obituary in a major national newspaper has always been held as equalling notability. Who wrote it is irrelevant. What's important is that the editor chose to run it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SIGCOV and 's cogent argument that an obituary in a newspaper of record is a sign of notability. Bearian (talk) 21:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Utter nonsense to suggest that an obituary written by the subject's daughter is sufficient for notability, which auotmatically fails the "independent" criterion of GNG, regardless of where it was published. This is part of the The Guardian's Other Lives section, specifically for people who led rich lives but are not neccesarily notable – all written and submitted by family members. She was an activist but nothing in this biography established her role in the protests or coverage of her. Reywas92Talk 20:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. I take the point about the "Other Lives" obit, though it does seem to have been published in the Independent as well (here). I have added a couple of references and I think there are probably more out there; enough to pass WP:BASIC in my view. I cannot see the full version of this article in The Friend, and it looks as if she is mentioned in this Guardian obit of her husband (I don't have access). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tacyarg (talk • contribs)
 * Keep per WP:HEY, and I just added a BBC News report that features MacKeith's role in a protest and a court proceeding that followed, which along with the recently-added Daily Echo report about her protest history, helps support WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. Beccaynr (talk) 00:20, 5 February 2021 (UTC)


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