Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frances the Mute

Frances the Mute
Frances the Mute was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep.

Proposed album with unverified track listing. 172.161.56.164 05:29, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete Can be re-added when the album is real. --Cmprince 05:46, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. The Mars Volta have performed at the Big Day Out and toured supporting the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, so they are a major second-tier band at least. I'd guess this material is as accurate as most of our stuff! Assuming that, we'll certainly want an article on this album as soon as there's as official announcement, and that won't be long now. Andrewa 08:50, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. The album has been confirmed by the artist, the track listing has apparently been verified, and considering the release of cover art by Storm Thorgerson, it's quite definitely a real album. The band appear big enough that the album is of some significance, enough to be included in wikipedia. Bookofjude 14:38, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is going to be released, and by a fairly well known band. Like sub-stubs, I don't think these articles should be created, but I don't think they should be deleted if they are. Rje 15:02, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Contributor should store the page in his or her user space and then post it when the album is out. There are many slips between cup and lip, and many confirmed albums don't get released (forget "Smile" and remember only "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot").  Speculative material is unverifiable.  When the album is released, then, well, I still don't think it's good to have an article on it (this isn't "Let It Bleed" we're talking about here), but it would be unobjectionable.  I.e. I'm voting delete until the record is real. Geogre 16:09, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, at least until it's released. --fvw *  18:38, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)
 * Delete, as the album has not been released it qualifies as non-notable. Megan1967 00:11, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Wikipedia is not a rumor or fan site. Recreate when the album is released. DCEdwards1966 02:00, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep! There's already a single out, "The Widow," and if we can have information about NIN's unreleased With Teeth, we should have this. (sorry, realized i hadn't signed earlier) Matthewcieplak 11:02, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep The album has been leaked, and the track-listing is all but confirmed. The album clearly exists. Regardless, if someone is wondering what "Frances the Mute" is, even if it isn't out yet, checking on Wikipedia should lead them to an answer. No reason not to have this article up. - MMBKG
 * Delete. Unverifiable future event.  Leaks are interesting and "all but confirmed" is nice but those do not rise to the necessary standards of verifiability for an encyclopedia.  Rossami (talk) 06:00, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep -Ld | talk 04:49, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, not important. --Quoxplor 11:28, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep if a bonifide release - it's no less important than other album articles - but the needs major clean-up. It's virtually unreadable as it currently stands. 23skidoo 17:09, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, the genie has left the bottle. GRider\talk 18:46, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The group has officially announced the tracklist through its MySpace page [] Sorry to post again, but this is important. Now, the tracklisting IS indeed verified, and the album is available on the Internet, meaning it is no longer "proposed". This article now meets the quota that was brought up in the first place. - MMBKG

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