Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francesco Grillo (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Francesco Grillo
AfDs for this article: 
 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

OK, this was created by editors with a clear conflict of interest over the last 8-9 years (with the last AfD less than a year ago). The references, as usual, are totally self-serving and the text is similar (there is nothing about what others say about him, it is all 'In his publication ...', 'Grillo postulates..', 'Grillo is interested in ..', 'Grillo, argues that' (and all self referenced material). I can see the argument that he is possibly notable, but lets re-assess that (again) through an AfD. Dirk Beetstra T  C 05:24, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:19, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:19, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk</b>) 06:19, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Hello I am the creator of this page. I know of the previous versions of the page and attempted to write something different, with new information on the author that I gathered after attending one his recent presentations. I agree with you that the content is notable, in fact Francesco Grillo, a fairly well-known person here in Italy, is gaining further notoriety. Given Wikipedia's mission (to benefit readers by providing comprehensive, free information on relevant topics of the day) I believe that the article I wrote about Francesco Grillo, especially once sources and style are modified in the ways suggested, deserves to be kept and not deleted. Vincitore99 (talk) 11:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That the person is notable in Italy does not necessarily mean they are also notable worldwide. Currently literally ALL references are from sources that are 'controlled' by the subject.  You would really have to find significant, reliable sources that are totally independent from the source (i.e. what others have written about him).  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 12:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Keep I have made changes as suggested and I think now the page is even better and as objective as possible. Therefore, I would encourage you to keep page as is, unless you have further constructive suggestions. Thanks Vincitore99 (talk) 13:36, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that the reference to Grillo's work is by a co-author of said work. Can you please provide truly independent citations?  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 14:08, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You are right, but there are other two references (13 and 15) that are completely independent from the author. Furthermore, the reference you mentioned is related to another work written by Nanetti (who has written books with Grillo) and a different co-author (Holguin). : As I said previously, there are independent sources that prove Francesco Grillo's notability. I am not in WP:COI. As stated in my last message, I went to a conference where Grillo spoke. I found his work interesting, so I decided to write about him. Not as a promo, but as a voluntary contribution to Wikipedia, which - as its mission states - intends to spread knowledge of important topics in all fields in an effort to make knowledge accessible to all. It would be against the mission and the spirit with which I wrote this page to delete it. Thanks, however, for being diligent. Vincitore99 (talk) 11:07, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Citing someone else's work does help, but it is very thin for notability (almost everyone who ever has published something has people citing said article, that alone does not make them notable). --Dirk Beetstra T  C 12:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Subject lacks enough independent coverage and sourcing to establish WP:GNG. Also a likely WP:PROMO that has been contributed to routinely by someone with a WP:COI. Best, GPL93 (talk) 00:00, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Per the nom and GLP93. Fails WP:GNG due to lacking sustained independent WP:SIGCOV. The subject is also only modestly more notable then when this article was deleted before; not enough to justify its return. The COI issue noted above also means this article should be swiftly uprooted so as not to reward corruption on Wikipedia. Newshunter12 (talk) 09:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.