Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Franchise Hockey Manager


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The keep arguments successfully argued against WP:CRYSTAL but the WP:GNG issues still exist. If anyone wants to work on this in userspace until more reliable sources exist I will provide it to them. J04n(talk page) 11:08, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Franchise Hockey Manager

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PROD removed after references improved. I'm still unsure whether it meets WP:GNG, but it's no longer an uncontroversial delete and should be discussed. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 13:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  16:58, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.   czar   &middot;   &middot;  16:58, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete All things aside, this won't be released (supposedly) until September, so let's not stretch WP:CRYSTAL that much. The "coverage" seems limited to forums and whatnot, so I don't see how this gets past WP:GNG. Perhaps userify and then wait for it to actually be available and receive some substantial coverage. § FreeRangeFrog croak 01:15, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Anyone who pre-orders the game right now gets access to the Beta, so this isn't vaporware; people are playing the game right now. The game is a work in progress, and the release date is set for Sept. 3, 2013, but there has been quite a bit of coverage of the game beyond forums. Would more citations help? § Bradcwriter talk 12:38, 2 May 2013
 * Keep Why apply WP:CRYSTAL to this game but not others? Honestly, this discussion doesn't make sense.  The game already exists in beta but won't have a final release for several months.  Moreover, the company developing the game has a long history of bringing their products to market.  This is a certainty for release and therefore I contend that the crystal ball should not be applied here. Mike (talk) 17:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Actually, FHM does not break any of the WP:CRYSTAL rules. The game release date was announced and it comes from a company with a good reputation. Pre-ordering was made available and people have actually bought copies. I have. Pre-ordering allows one to play and test the beta version of the game. Months ago when the OOTP devs announced they would develop a hockey management game without announcing a solid release date, I'd have agreed that an article was premature. With the game's existence and release no longer a matter of speculation, and with physical evidence of it available, however, IMO, an article for it is as appropriate as one for any other upcoming game with articles here. --Yannzgob (talk) 20:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete or Incubate/Userify. The real issue here is not whether this violates WP:CRYSTAL but whether it has the real world significance to justify an encyclopedia article. I found nothing to indicate that it has, though this may change when it is released. --Michig (talk) 13:26, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment There are sources on this, but from what I can tell the sources seem to be fan sites, which may not be reliable sources.Transcendence (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep If game is in beta, crystal ball not required.   Robert McClenon (talk) 02:38, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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