Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis Dolarhyde


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. A reminder, if you have criticisms of either the nominator or any other editor participating in an AFD, it's preferable to bring the issue to their User talk page rather than introducing it into a discussion of the article and its merits. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 05:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Francis Dolarhyde

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Sources in the article do not prove the character's notability, a quick Google search does not give any sources that prove individual notability, and per WP:N, it is not worth a standalone article. If the character is not notable, I suggest a redirect and/or merge to Hannibal Lecter (franchise) (perhaps not the best redirect target, but I can only think of that). Spinixster  (chat!)  02:58, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Literature, Film,  and Television.  Spinixster   (chat!)  02:58, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets GNG. Here's a couple things I found in just a couple minutes on ProQuest (See also Articles for deletion/Jack Crawford (character) for my concerns about this set of 8 nominations in 7 minutes) &mdash;siro&chi;o 07:10, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The first source only briefly mentions the character twice. The second source mentions the character more, but there doesn't seem to be enough analysis going on to prove notability (it's mostly plot summaries, but it's still very brief). Spinixster   (chat!)  07:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. In my Clarice Starling searches, I found an article in Project Muse (Elliott, Jaquelin. This is my Becoming:Transformation, Hybridity, and the Monstrous in NBC's Hannibal. University of Toronto Quarterly Volume 87, Number 1, Winter 2018. ) which has a fair amount of coverage on Francis Dolarhyde. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The analysis on the character is brief (the source mentions the character a lot, but it's mostly in a few plot summaries), but I'd say it's usable. More sources would be needed, though Spinixster   (chat!)  07:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems pretty strong to me. There is definite analysis relative to the werewolf trope, speculation on links with Jekyll & Hyde, stuff on gender/sexual identity, and on deformity, &c&c. Certainly not just plot summary. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * To summarize what I saw, the character is based on the BTK killer, he has problems with his gender and sexual identity, and is considered by the writer to be the most sympathetic villain of the series. Those parts can be used. The others are just brief plot summary. I never said it's not usable. Spinixster   (chat!)  07:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't have time to look through them now but Project Muse has 12 book/journal results for "Francis Dolarhyde" (including the above) so some of the others might well be useful. Espresso Addict (talk)
 * At least based on the brief search on MUSE, the sources that can be used are:
 * "Becoming: Genre, Queerness, and Transformation in NBC’s Hannibal" has a chapter dedicated to Francis.
 * "Real Phonies: Cultures of Authenticity in Post-World War II America", chapter 3 ("They Didn’t Do It for Thrills": Serial Killing and the Problem of Motive) mentions Francis.
 * To be added as I continue searching through the sources.
 * I just quickly skimmed through the books and articles, and it's pretty hard to search the entire book on MUSE so I have to guess what chapter the character is mentioned, so maybe not all of them would be usable. Spinixster   (chat!)  08:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * "it's pretty hard to search the entire book on MUSE" -- the search engine tells you which chapters the search string is found in. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:16, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * KEEP JosephWC (talk) 16:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @JosephWC See WP:JV. Spinixster   (chat!)  07:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 18:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Since this discussion has less traction so far, here's a couple more sources to chew on.
 * A few pages of SIGCOV in The Silence of the Lambs: Devil's Advocates by Barry Forshaw
 * A couple pages of SIGCOV in Psycho Paths:Tracking the Serial Killer Through Contemporary American Film and Fiction by Philip L. Simpson
 * &mdash;siro&chi;o 23:20, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. Sources found by me and Siroxo are enough for GNG. The nominator's nomination of Clarice Starling at the same time calls their discrimination into question. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Discrimination? I did not discriminate against anyone here. If a character is not notable then it's a delete and vice versa. Sources have been found, so it's a keep. Spinixster   (chat!)  01:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.