Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis Nataf


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The result was delete. Disregarding non policy-based arguments, consensus is to delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 14:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Francis Nataf

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This person does not seem to be notable but I could see the potential debate. Therefore, I am nominating to AfD and I will abstain from voting. Dane2007 (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Nataf is a fairly widely published writer, as well as a rabbi and educator. Of the three references, the first is a list of articles he has written for Haaretz, while the other two are articles he has written. None of those are independent, and therefore do not establish notability. I made a good faith Google search and found other articles by him, and passing mentions of him. But I was not able to find any significant coverage of him as a person in independent reliable sources. I will gladly change my recommendation from delete to keep if acceptable sources come to light. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
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— Anthony K Manning (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  00:25, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sources all valid. Owaavaax (talk) 06:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep - sources indicate notability beyond reasonable doubt. --Creektiming (talk) 06:36, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply Please be aware,, and , that notability requires significant coverage in independent sources. Which sources do you see that are independent? Cullen328   Let's discuss it  00:36, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The sources are fine, pleae stop harassing editors who disagree with your views. Creektiming (talk) 18:34, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: both Owaavaax and Creektiming have just been blocked, for team-tag harassment. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:00, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete NN - Does not make the criteria for authors and teachers. every lecturer and author does not get a wiki page. Minor publications on the Bible along with promotional articles and promotional excerpts from the books is not notability. There is no significant outside coverage of him or citation of him. He does not seem to have any major notability in his employment history or any award. --Jayrav (talk) 13:06, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notability requirements are ‘worthy of notice or note – that is, remarkable or significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded.’ Anyone who fails to appreciate that Nataf satisfies these criteria is simply unaware of his contribution - in print, on line, and in person. Nataf is a rare and noted voice in contemporary Orthodox Bible scholarship.  Few others have the academic breadth and intellectual depth to engage meaningfully with classic Biblical Criticism and the modern Literary and Historical Schools of Bible Study.  Nataf is without question ‘remarkable, significant, interesting, and unusual’ in his fieldAnthony K Manning (talk) 16:30, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Rabbi Nataf is a well-respected speaker and author, and his books have been well received. I only found out about him through those books. His series on the Bible received an approbation by Rabbi Aharon Lichtenstein - one of the most influential Modern Orthodox leaders of the last 30 years. Elialt1 (talk) 03:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC) moved from talk page by Meters
 * — Note to closing admin: Elialt1 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.


 * Reply Biographies of a person require references to significant coverage of the person in independent, reliable sources, . Please add such references to the article if you want it to be kept. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  02:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree that the sources that are currently in the article cannot be considered independent of the subject. Opinion pieces he's written, mentions of books he's written, mentions of him in listings of lecturers, etc are not sufficient to show notability, and I have not been able to find adequate sources myself. I'd be happy to reconsider if better sources are provided. Meters (talk) 06:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't see any notability from the sources in the article or a search for others. The fact that he has written for a number of newspapers and given lectures aren't, in and of themselves, indications of notability.  Ravendrop 02:06, 3 August 2016 (UTC)


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