Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis O. Belzer


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The result was redirect to Firecrafter.  MBisanz  talk 19:58, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Francis O. Belzer

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The sources are not really indepdent of Belzer. The obituary seems to be from the organization he founded, and with his deep involvement in scouting the scouting sources here are not fully indepdent of him. A search for more sourcing found Wikipedia mirrors but no indepdent sources reflecting on Belzer's notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:34, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  GenQuest  "scribble" 14:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  GenQuest  "scribble" 14:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete With a heavy heart, because Belzer should be more notable as the founder of the Firecrafter movement, but he's simply not. There's very little out there, what there is comes from scouting publications. Perhaps, at most, a redirect to Firecrafter, but I'd lean delete. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:26, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Firecrafter.4meter4 (talk) 14:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


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