Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis Tsai


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The result was   keep. or nomination withdrawn, take your pick (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Francis Tsai

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Possible autobiography, seing as User:BrothersThree is a SPA who has redirected his user page to the biography. I was unable to find much for sources via google or lexisnexis, and I'm not sure the links in the article itself demonstrate notability. Looking at the criteria in WP:BIO: The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries. - N/A of any of the above. -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 03:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors. - no assertion, unable to find independent reliable sources
 * The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique. - no sources or suggestion to this effect
 * The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. -Theoretically Francis Tsai did play a conceptual role in Myst III: Exile, but is only mentioned in an interview with himself in a borderline reliable source; I have not found any other mention.
 * I added {{subst:afd}} to the article. Giggy (talk) 04:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delay discussion. The article doesn't provide sufficient context. If the subject was essentially the art director or equivalent for Myst 3 and the other notable items on which he is said to have worked, then he probably merits an article. However the article is too vague for the reader to determine the level of contribution: creative or execution. The awards certainly help with the claim of notability, but they are not obviously significant or telling awards. I would like to see this article improved and tightened up before passing judgment. Bongomatic (talk) 11:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I got out my copy of the Myst III instruction manual, and he is listed under "Designers" with Seth Fisher, Stephen Hoodgedynk, and Ron Lemen. Seeing as we don't have articles for general staff for any company, to my knowledge... - Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 13:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  20:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  20:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but trim way down to what we can reference. I found a couple interviews and references from different places about him, and he does seem to have done some major Marvel Comics covers (incl one that was later re-used as a TPB cover), so I'm inclined towards keep, but the article as is is too fat and obviously autobiographical.  Ford MF (talk) 20:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you add these references to the article so we can evaluate them and/or so this won't be a concern in the future? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 22:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Major ref'ing and rewrite completed.  Ford MF (talk) 01:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep following FMF - he has done some noteworthy comic work perhaps not enough to standalone but it seems like this is one of those cumulative affairs where all the little bits (like those awards) all add up. I needs a good hack and a reworking but could be viable. (Emperor (talk) 00:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC))
 * Week keep following rewrite with addition references. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 13:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Can I assume that means you're withdrawing your nomination and this AfD can be closed? Ford MF (talk) 15:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


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