Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francisco Lizarraga


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 05:02, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Francisco Lizarraga

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Minor league player who spent the entire 2009 season in the Mexican League, does not appear to be a prospect. I question his notability Muboshgu (talk) 19:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep He seems to pass WP:WPBB/N. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 21:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Does not pass WP:WPBB/N.  Has apparently never played in any of the major or defunct leagues listed there.  Onla has played in the minors.  Minor league players, managers, coaches, executives, and umpires are not assumed to be inherently notable. No indicia of notability to overcome that. User:Halvorsen brian, what are you seeing here that I'm not?  TJRC (talk) 21:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:WPBB/N states, "...cite published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." There are plenty of hits on a Google News Search. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 22:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * But all of those hits appear to be just of the type not considered under WP:NOTNEWS. Certainly, minor league games get coverage in their local cities, and the players names are mentioned.  That doesn't amount to notability. TJRC (talk) 22:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't get what you're saying. WP:NOTNEWS has nothing to do with what I said, WP:NOTNEWS states "Unless news coverage of an individual goes beyond the context of a single event, our coverage of that individual should be limited to the article about that event, in proportion to their importance to the overall topic." He is beyond just one event and one source. Regardless, he meets WP:ATHLETE. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 23:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * So your contention is that any minor league player who gets news coverage for playing in more than one minor league game meets notability requirements? TJRC (talk) 23:35, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * My contention? WP:WPBB/N and WP:ATHLETE agree. What is it with wanting to delete MiLB players? He meets requirements, that's it. I can understand if its a MiLB player from 1903 who played for three seasons with no stat records anywhere but this is different. There are plenty of MiLB players with less experience than Lizarraga on Wiki. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 23:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, this is not about a player playing in more than one game, Lizarraga has played 259 games. Lets stay on topic. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 00:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Calm down, please, I'm just trying to understand your argument. Are you really saying that news reports of games are sufficient to meet the notability requirement? I don't want to critique that position if it's a strawman. As far as the point that there are players with less experience, that's essentially a WP:WAX argument; and is as much as an argument that those articles should be deleted as it is that this article should be retained. TJRC (talk) 00:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Calm down? You shouldn't accuse me of making a judgement based upon my views. The reason I said Keep was because he meets WP:WPBB/N and WP:ATHLETE. I can't see a good reason for deleting him. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 00:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, "So your contention is that any minor league player who gets news coverage for playing in more than one minor league game meets notability requirements?" is a WP:WAX as well. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 00:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm stepping out of this discussion. I've obviously upset you.  My apologies, that wasn't my intent.  I think my position is clear above, I won't be participating further in the AfD. TJRC (talk) 00:38, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Um, ok...I really don't get where you say I'm "upset." On one occasion I had to defend myself against an accusation and maybe you were looking for me to be upset. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 00:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete non notable minor league player--Yankees10 00:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete even though I created this page, I'm gonna say delete because he is not currently playing for an affiliated team and doesn't seem likely to in the future. Spanneraol (talk) 01:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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