Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Franco-Turkish proxy conflict


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The result was delete. Closing based on early consensus. Feel free to discuss redirects on appropriate talk page(s). Missvain (talk) 22:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Franco-Turkish proxy conflict

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This article is pure original research, tying together dozens of disparate incidents to create a narrative of a proxy conflict between France and Turkey. The only cited source that mentions the word "proxy" at all is, which refers to proxy conflicts between Turkey and Iran. I wasn't able to find any scholarly claims of a France-Turkey proxy conflict in a google scholar search. signed,Rosguill talk 19:38, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - agreed, most of the lead of the article is original research (the lead makes up most of the article), while only the sections containing which countries were involved have sources. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 21:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - editor's own 'unified theory' of certain current geopolitical events. There is nothing provided in the litany of conflicts and 'allied nations' to indicate that these represent proxy conflicts, where states are involved as a means of indirectly impacting the global interests of the other 'puppetmaster' state, as opposed to simply cases where they each are addressing what they view as their own national interests in the outcomes of the specific conflicts, irrespective of what side other states are supporting.  Neither the media nor their thinktank talking head guests seem to be viewing it as a proxy conflict. Agricolae (talk) 21:58, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect to France–Turkey relations, no RS given for the existence of a proxy-conflict. Mztourist (talk) 07:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete due to the article being original research that sounds like a personal essay and there being a lack of reliable sources to collaborate it. That said, it would make an interesting blog post or something. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:54, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Either weak delete or weak userfy, as the article appears to be a blatant violation of WP:SYNTH. JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 22:03, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as per others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.156.71.30 (talk) 08:26, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Brief merge -- there is a place for an article on diplomatic relations between two countries, though commonly these merely consist of list of ambassadors. This is NOT a war, do that a battle infobox is highly inappropriate.  Other nations may have provided diplomatic or press) support, but that does not make them belligerents.  Indeed good diplomacy involves trying to sooth the situation and de-escalate it.  France–Turkey relations is where this belongs.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure there's anything in this article worth merging, given the sourcing and neutrality issues. signed,Rosguill talk 19:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OR Shadow4dark (talk) 01:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete the idea of a proxy war is WP:ORRidax2020 (talk) 01:13, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


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