Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frane Selak


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The result was no consensus. North America1000 23:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Frane Selak

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The story is a hoax Bro(sv) (talk) 19:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep He has received international press interest over a period of several years, which normally makes someone notable. Even if an individual achieves fame through false claims they may still be notable, e.g. Anna Anderson, Princess Caraboo. But it would be nice to find more sources that discuss whether he is a fake: parts of the article are close to original research. Colapeninsula (talk) 14:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment The content in the article is about a man who almost died seven times, and I agree that it is absolute relevant. But the truth is that it is about a music teacher who lied to a journalist, it is obvious that the story is fake and that makes the article irrelevant! /Bro(sv) (talk) 18:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete. By chance, just recently - one year after I raised some doubts in the Selak article's talk page - I've created List of disasters in Croatia by death toll. Now, Selak allegedly survived at least one incident (1963 aircraft crash) that would have easily made that list, but I still could not find anything about it apart from what Selak claims. This is highly suspect. On achieving notability through false claims: no problem with that, but there are apparently no sources that state his claims are false (BBC only goes as far as "not independently verified"), so Selak is not even notable as a hoaxer. GregorB (talk) 09:58, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, § FreeRangeFrog croak 01:17, 25 April 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - given that there was apparently no independent verification of these claims, the WP:SIGCOV standard isn't really met - if we just have detailed assertions and no corroboration, we can't say we have (f)actual details. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 09:29, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep while almost certainly a fantasist, he has received coverage across multiple countries, languages and decades, with in-depth coverage and evidence of journalist fact-checking / skepticism. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep The topic has received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Future edits to the article should be based on lengthy, skeptical, in-depth sources, as opposed to brief, credulous, sensationalistic sources. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
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