Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Conroy (communist)


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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 23:37, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Frank Conroy (communist)

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I'm nominating because my PROD was removed. The subject doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. The article can be summarised in that Frank Conroy was a member of the IRA and fought in the Spanish Civil War; there is nothing notable that shows he should be included. I've performed Google searches but I can't find anything at all relevant. Instead, the article is describing someone and even includes when and where he made his confirmation. The notability hasn't been proven. st170e talk 22:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. st170e talk  22:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. st170e talk  22:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. st170e talk  22:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Thats like saying Michael Collins should be deleted because it can be summarized as fighting in the Tan war and the 1916 rising. That's because you just searched Frank Conroy, if you search Frank Conroy communist relevant stuff comes up. Apollo The Logician (talk) 22:41, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I did search 'Frank Conroy communist' and significant coverage is lacking which portrays the subject to be notable. You need to prove that he's notable. It's also silly to relate Michael Collins to Conroy - Collins was a massive figure in Ireland. What has Conroy done that would be notable? st170e talk 22:43, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * What notable things has Conroy done? Everything in the article. There's an article about him in Kildare.ie, which is a news outlet which reports on news in Kildare. There's multiple articles written about him by the Communist Party of Ireland, there's an article about a commemoration, there's a Frank Conroy Commemoration Committee and he's also mentioned in a piece on a website dedicated to Irish involvement in the Spanish Civil War. Apollo The Logician (talk) 22:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * No, what specifically has he done that is notable? What in particular has he done that makes him notable? -st170e talk 22:54, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * As it says in the article "He joined the IRA in the 1930's, he later became a Marxist and got involved in the Republican Congress. He was also involved in street battles against the Blueshirts, around this period he decided to get involved in the Spanish Civil War. On 13 September 1936 he set sail to Spain on the Holyhead Ferry. He reached Spain on 14 December and travelled to Albacete. On 26 December 1936 he was sent to the Andalucía front in the south of Spain. His brigade advanced towards the village of Lopera, they came under shell and machine-gun fire and many died. On 28 December Conroy was killed during the second attempt to take the village." He's also been the subject of commemorations which should be taken in to account. Apollo The Logician (talk) 22:57, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * This is a description of his life and I wouldn't consider this to be notable. The notability isn't proven on the article through independent, reliable, significant sources. You have written the article and it sounds like his notability is based on his membership of the IRA and involvement in the Spanish Civil War. The lack of detail or achievements is why I've nominated it for deletion. st170e talk 23:02, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Kildare.ie is an independent and reliable source, the article, I think is written by a historian. In what way is it lacking detail? Apollo The Logician (talk) 23:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable person killed in combat at age 22. There were millions like him. Fails WP:POLITICIAN and WP:SOLDIER. No other claim of notability is made. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  23:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Conroy is a special case as he was involved in political activities, fought Blueshirts and was a member of the Irish Republican Army. There is also an annual commemoration. Apollo The Logician (talk) 23:21, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Improvements to the article have been made. Apollo The Logician (talk) 23:38, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply Being involved with politics does not confer notability. Not does being a member of the IRA (or any other political group), or engaging in street fighting with political opponents, or getting killed in combat in Spain or anywhere else, or being commemorated locally.  He is not a "special case" in any meaningful way.  He is just another one of many millions of very young men who died in combat in the late 1930s and early 1940s, just like one of my uncles. Not notable. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  00:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable; still fails GNG and also WP:Memorial applies. Kierzek (talk) 22:46, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Although he died at a young age, the subject continues to live as a sort of revolutionary icon, it would seem, with memorial meetings and songs written in his honor. Very serious coverage in COUNTY KILDARE ONLINE ELECTRONIC HISTORY JOURNAL. GNG pass, in my estimation. Carrite (talk) 15:50, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Running a Google search for "FRANK CONROY" + "SPANISH CIVIL WAR" returns an impressive 3,600 hits, including THIS 2012 coverage of a new leaflet "Frank Conroy And The Spanish Civil War" by the Frank Conroy Committee. Clearly this is not your run of the mill Spanish volunteer who died fighting fascism... Search continuing... Carrite (talk) 15:55, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There have been three annual festivals commemorating Conroy, see THIS flyer, which can easily be mined for an illustrative graphic... Carrite (talk) 15:58, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - I totally understand how he has become a legend - and so people that want to keep the article find Conroy notable. However, when you look at the guidelines, it does not appear that Conway meets the guidelines for WP:GNG. I looked in books to see if I could find anything about him during this period. The best I could find gives a passing mention of his death and a couple of sentence biography here. The Irish involvement in the Spanish Civil War page doesn't mention him.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 06:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * He's also mentioned in Fighting for Republican Spain 1936-38. Frank Ryan and the Volunteers from Limerick in the International Brigades by Barry McLoughlin-- previously unsigned 01:37, 10 December 2016‎ Apollo The Logician (talk)
 * That's the book I was mentioning in my "here" link above. There is just a passing mention of him, nothing that would indicate notability.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 16:45, 10 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. It's always a red flag when our own article about a topic is the top result in a Google search.  Looking through the first two pages in the search results, I see a number of blogs, sites associated with the Communist Party of Ireland (and one for the Communist Party of India), and commemorative YouTube videos.  Of course, you need to filter out hits related to the contemporary author with the same name.  I don't see anything I would call a WP:RS which could be used to establish WP:N for this person.  -- RoySmith (talk) 18:59, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That's actually the case for most Google searches. Apollo The Logician (talk) 19:21, 10 December 2016 (UTC)


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