Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Viola III


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. The community here appears roughly evenly divided between those who think the news coverage is sufficient and those who think it isn't. Both sides have some merit. The type and quantity of coverage needed to establish notability is an unsettled area, but in any case the content is verifiable so I see nothing that mandates a deletion when consensus isn't present. Sjakkalle (Check!)  18:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Frank Viola III

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Article does not meet GNG or baseball notability guidelines. It primarily claims that he is notable because of his connection to his father and brother.. but notability is not inherited. Also, article history seems to imply that the article was created and heavily edited by either the subject or someone connected to him. Spanneraol (talk) 12:29, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Spanneraol (talk) 12:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Re-direct to to Frank Viola.--Yankees10 15:57, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I created the page as an off-shoot of the Frank Viola page. Since there was sufficient content on the original page and more than sufficient ref's, I figured the page could stand on its own. I'm not sure why you'd delete all the content and simply have a redirect - unless someone is going to take all that content and transfer it back to the Viola page as a separate section. Also as to Spanneraol's comment about someone connected with Viola having heavily edited the page, if you look at the edit history the Frankiev16 editor that I assume Spann is referring to has only edited about 100 char's - which is about 4% of the total page - and the edits were benign. Most of the edits that have been performed since I created the page have been to insert a infobox, external links, and cats - all which improved the page and which have been performed by about half a dozen editors. I guess if the reason to delete the page is because the pitcher isn't particularly good, that has merit to a point. But the rest of the arguments are essentially baseless. Ckruschke (talk) 16:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)Ckruschke
 * Keep references look fine to me. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. The references all seem routine to me, though the MLB.com Dickey one is pretty close. Another one of that quality and I'm open to changing. Wizardman  21:40, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to father for now as he's still questionable for solid independent notability for now. SwisterTwister   talk  04:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:13, 30 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  02:31, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails GNG. Perhaps the intro section can be added to his father's page, but there's no need for all of this to be there. If anyone has a Baseball-Reference Bullpen account and wants to copy this info. over there (if it's not there already), that would be the much better place for a bio like this one. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 18:25, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think there are sufficient sources showing in the footnotes to merit a GNG pass. Knuckleballers are a rare breed in the world of baseball and I think that it would be prudent not to be overly obsessed with the lack of major league innings here. Carrite (talk) 02:20, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note to closing editor This page doesn't come close to passing GNG, despite the keep! votes from the creator and one or two others, and there's nothing in the bio itself that's notable. It's just a recap of basic biographical and statistical information that could be gleaned from visiting the player's (very sparse) Baseball Reference Minors page, plus a silly Bernie Sanders endorsement. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.