Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Wiese (Poker Player)


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The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:09, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Frank Wiese (Poker Player)

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Has been speedied a few times in the past, now has a "claim" of notability, but winning $1000 lifetime in tournaments isn't enough to pass WP:N. I pulled the A7 tag off since it didn't clearly fit the criteria, and sending here instead so a consensus to delete, and perhaps salt, can be had. See also deletes for Frank Wiese. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;   &copy;  02:01, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete nothing comes close to being notable here. Also recommend salting. Ridernyc (talk) 02:17, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. I (and about a million others) have more tournament winnings than this bozo. (Okay, not in top flight tournaments.) Two small cashes are nothing to brag about, not even in the WSOP or WPT. Salt to taste. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:44, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. A career in the $1000 range clearly puts him as an amateur in any reasonable scoring of a sport. Claim of being a "best kept secret" is basically a statement that he is unnoted. The books published by Just Fold Enterprise? Amazon lists there being only one book total from that publisher, suggesting that it's a self-publishing operation, and in any case not a publisher of note whose support would indicate notability. --Nat Gertler (talk) 03:44, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Speedy is unjustifiable; assertion of notability is made, and a speedy was already declined.  This said, the article notes a publishing house that has published one book as of 2010, despite the assertion of two books published (openlibrary.org).  First link found on a perfunctory google search turns up a Myspace account.  Even disregarding the amount of winnings on the part of Mr. Wiese, there is no notability here. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 06:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt, not notable, deleted six times previously. Hairhorn (talk) 11:25, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm only seeing two on the logs for this one, Hairhorn. Could you link the others? -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 04:00, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Deleted four times under the title Frank Wiese. 79.123.72.81 (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Two A7s, a G11 and a PROD, plus a G11 and an A7 under this title. I linked this in the nom, but it isn't as obvious as I could have made it I suppose.  I'm guessing 7 is a lucky number for salting.  Dennis Brown  -  2&cent;   &copy;  20:00, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually my speedy delete should have been for a combi of A7/G11 (as it was tagged but that tool only lets me choose one) since it was posted by a subsequently blocked promotional role account. Having it here after a repost under a fresh account to evaluate just notability is fine but after checking the poker guideline and looking for sources, it is still delete.--Tikiwont (talk) 20:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete A potentially legitimate BLP topic, but I had trouble finding secondary sources, three sources are listed above.  Based on what I found, I doubt that there is a target for the redirect.  The book, Eat Professional Poker Players Alive! is "Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #462,974".  This book review from readybetgo.com states, "Plagiarism in any form is simply inexcusable, and even if the rest of the book had been good enough for me to recommend, which it wasn't, this by itself would have been sufficient reason for me to encourage prospective readers to not purchase this book."  Which reminds me that the second sentence of the current article, "He is considered to be one of pokers best kept secrets", is also found at fwiese.com.  Unscintillating (talk) 00:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note There are two related deletions for "Eat Professional Poker Players Alive", but I can't find any previous AfD discussions for either the author or the book.  Unscintillating (talk) 04:57, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
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