Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frankfurt (icebreaker)


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The result was   keep. Nomination withdrawn (non-admin closure) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛  Talk Email 14:09, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Frankfurt (icebreaker)

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non notable icebreaker fails wp:GNG due to lack of significant coverage  D Big X ray   18:22, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * keep withdrawing nomination as lack of consensus for deletion. -- D Big X ray  12:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Specs112   t   c  19:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC) Actually, keep.  Specs112   t   c  12:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- →gab  24 dot  grab← 20:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete No indication of wp:notability.  Has only one reference, and zero in English. North8000 (talk) 21:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You're slipping. Uncle G (talk) 22:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Now has at least three refs, two of which are full descriptions of the vessel and its significance. Xyl 54 (talk) 16:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The German Wikipedia does this with a list: de:Liste von Schiffen der Wasser- und Schifffahrtsämter. Uncle G (talk) 22:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Uncle G, yet another reason to get rid of this article as a list already exists at Icebreakers of Germany on en.wiki-- D Big X ray  22:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Inclusion on a list does not preclude articles on individuals listed, if there is sufficient to say on the individiual (or even, more than can comfortably be accomodated in a list entry). A 3.6 Kb article qualifies there, IMO. Xyl 54 (talk) 16:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, what the German WP does is up to them, but the list there has at least two dozen vessels bluelinked, so they haven't dismissed the idea of individual articles at all. Xyl 54 (talk) 16:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:27, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge & Redirect- To Icebreakers of Germany if the current list is comprehensive; Since the listing is if meant for notables only, Delete. If the complete list is that short, it should be IAR complete, although still sourced. Dru of Id (talk) 03:37, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I should have looked at the de. list first. Dru of Id (talk) 03:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails the notability guidelines,. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛  Talk Email 11:39, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How so? Xyl 54 (talk) 16:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - N(Vehicles) is a de facto demoted essay; the article (barely) meets WP:GNG; and the nominator's implied claim that articles on individual ships are not needed is contraindicated by broad consensus. Also, while it is not a standard of any sort, the WP:CONSENSUS based on many previous discussions is that ships of over 100 ft length are extremely likely to be notable; did the nomiator perform the required tasks before nomination? - The Bushranger One ping only 00:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability requirements have been met. Brad (talk) 02:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep The Frankfurt is the 2002 prototype of a new river icebreaker, so is notable.  The ship was commissioned by the Waterways and Shipping Office Eberswalde, a sub-agency of the Federal Ministry of Transport, Building and Urban Affairs of Germany.  As per the picture in this article, there is an older Eisbrecher Frankfurt which dates back to 1968.  As per the shipbuilder here, the 2002 Frankfurt is listed as 1 of 8 "special vessels" they have built since 1961.  This source goes directly to notability, but take note that the word "London" in the photo caption is "Frankfurt" in the original German.  As per the sources I read while researching this AfD, river icebreaking is a notable activity that dates back over a century.  For example, this source is mostly about German river icebreaking, but the caption of the photo and the photo are attention (notability) going directly to the Frankfurt.  Here is an article about Oder river icebreakers.  A 1917 American book writes, "On some rivers, particularly where melting first takes place on the upper river, as on the Oder and Weichsel in Germany, the formation of ice jams is a frequent cause of floods."  This source gets into the details of the new icebreaker design, including a mention of the agreement with the Polish government, and states, "The diesel-electric drive is a novelty for a river icebreaker in Germany"  Unscintillating (talk) 04:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Bushranger, Brad and Unscintillating, (above)Xyl 54 (talk) 16:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I started both Frankfurt (icebreaker) and Icebreakers of Germany. I disagree with nominator that an entry in a list article is a suitable substitute for an individual article for topics that meet our notability standards.  Nominator also initiated Articles for deletion/Kwasind, Articles for deletion/Ongiara (ship, 1885) and Articles for deletion/Keiler -- nominations for the deletion of articles on ships based on essentially the same premise as this nomination.  Nominator withdrew those nominations. I suggest the same reasons apply here.  Geo Swan (talk) 08:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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