Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Franklin MacDonald


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The result was   delete.  → Call me  Hahc  21  23:42, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Franklin MacDonald

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Does not have the significant coverage required to meet WP:GNG and falls short of the criteria for WP:NHOCKEY. Tchaliburton (talk) 03:06, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep – Passes WP:GNG. In addition to playing pro hockey for 8 years, MacDonald is an Austrian league champion, and a reality TV contestant who won season two of the Canadian reality TV series Making the Cut: Last Man Standing. Many significant and independent articles in English can be found about him due to his three seasons with the Rochester Americans of the AHL, and also about his success with the Making the Cut TV show. Many German-language sources exist which provide significant and independent coverage about him during his six years with EHC Linz of the Österreichische Eishockey-Liga, including their championship 2011-12 season. Dolovis (talk) 19:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I will retract my nomination if anyone can show he has had significant coverage. But all I can find are trivial mentions and routine sports coverage. Tchaliburton (talk) 20:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete: As is frequently the case with hockey-related AfDs, Dolovis makes claims of sources which he then declines to produce. Obviously MacDonald's modest hockey career fails any relevant criteria of WP:NHOCKEY, and no other sources proffered go beyond coverage debarred by WP:ROUTINE and WP:GEOSCOPE.  Highbeam and Google Newspapers searches turns up a couple sports-transaction bulletpoints, Questia turns up bupkis.  There is nothing about being a reality show contestant that overrides the GNG, something well established by precedent at AfD ... and in any event, WP:V requires that sources be produced, or that an article cannot be sustained.   Ravenswing   22:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * In response to Ravenswing's request that that sources be produced: in addition to the significant and independent source already listed within the article., other significant and independent sources are also easily found including, and . I could find more if I were to search for hard-copy or German-language sources, but since GNG requires only two such sources, the three articles linked here are enough demonstrate that this player meets the notability requirements for a stand-alone article. Dolovis (talk) 17:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Swear to heaven, we keep doing this dance. For the umpteenth time, how about some sources with a proven reputation for fact checking, as the GNG requires, instead of obscure hockey blog sites?  Newspaper articles?  Magazine articles?  You claim there are significant articles concerning his days in Rochester. Where are they? You claim there are German-language sources discussing him in detail. Where are they? Unless you provide them at once, we can only conclude that this is just another in a very long string of deletion debates where you have made bald claims of sources that didn't actually exist.   Ravenswing   20:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The Cape Breton Post is a small paper from his home town. It has more significant coverage of some AA high school athletes. The other two references don't seem reliable at all. I've searched Google news archives and Highbeam and can't find anything significant. I'm still not seeing the coverage needed for WP:GNG. Tchaliburton (talk) 23:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NHOCKEY and other coverage is routine sports reporting.204.126.132.231 (talk) 19:16, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Not in line with WP:NHOCKEY. AAA3AAA (talk) 07:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tawker (talk) 05:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Mdtemp (talk) 17:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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