Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Franziska von Karma


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The result was redirect to List of Ace Attorney characters. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Franziska von Karma

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Much like the since redirected articles on Apollo Justice and Larry Butz from last week, this article fails WP:GNG. Though I’m not sure if this article about this character from the original trilogy of the Ace Attorney video game series would be worthy enough to be saved if it were to be improved through the section about Franziska in the List of Ace Attorney characters may be good enough to describe her. Pahiy (talk) 16:03, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Pahiy (talk) 16:03, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-deletion discussions. Pahiy (talk) 16:03, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of Ace Attorney characters and salt. Fails notability criteria pretty hard, with entirely trivial mentions. Definitely not suitable for a standalone article outside the list.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:42, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. There is a reception section here. The nom should present a critique of it if it has problems. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:31, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Most of the reception is either trivial mentions from reviews of the game, or listicles like "top 20 game babes". There isn't anything that seems to be an indepth WP:SIGCOV of the character.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Having a reception section doesn’t make it inherently notable. Pretty sure their broad comment about not meeting the GNG applies to that section too. Sergecross73   msg me  12:28, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect or delete - I definitely echo the listicle sentiment. It's just three WatchMojo-tier junk articles and a few very minor mentions. These do not meet the criteria of significant coverage. TTN (talk) 02:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect - the references include interviews, trivial mentions (mostly as part of reviews of the video games and related media), a primary source (the Ace Attorney manga), and two Hot Video Game Babes™ listicles of which one has a very short entry for Franziska and the other only mentions her offhandedly. Maybe things will change if she continues to appear in any future games, but unfortunately I don't think she meets GNG as it stands unless more (print?) sources are found.--AlexandraIDV 11:06, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect - the articles sourcing, reception section included, is extremely weak. It’s very clear someone tried to pad the reception section. The opening lines of the reception section notes how a publication called her a “series mainstay”. That’s it. That’s all that source said on her. That’s not reception, it’s just a vague statement of her appearing in games. The rest of it’s not better. Another calls her a standout because she whips people in the game. I mean, I know we all draw the line at different points, but I’m hard pressed to agree with anyone arguing that this is notable critical commentary here. We’ve got a whole article about the characters. If this is all that people can muster up, it belongs there. Sergecross73   msg me  12:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


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