Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fraser Hobday


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Snow delete. Mkdw talk 02:35, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Fraser Hobday

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Contested PROD. Not a notable footballer. Has never played in a fully professional league, and fails WP:GNG. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 13:47, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I've stubbed the article for various reasons given in the edit summaries. The Highland Football League is not a fully professional league? --Neil N  talk to me 14:57, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I'm fairly confident that it's not fully professional. I note that it's not included in the list at WP:FPL. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 15:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Definitely not fully professional, even Scottish League Two is not fully pro, and the HFL is at a lower level than that. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:19, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Thanks . Does not meet WP:NFOOTY. I see other sources have caught on. --Neil N  talk to me 15:38, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:55, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - not enough coverage to meet GNG. Jeremy112233 ( Lettuce-jibber-jabber? ) 17:31, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, has not played in a fully professional league and does not meet WP:GNG. -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 20:07, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Fails WP:NFOOTY as described by others above. --Jersey92 (talk) 00:29, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 10:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per reasons above. Not played in a professional game (though is still young and potentially could!) — foxj 15:29, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:GNG, WP:NFOOTY - Has not played in a fully professional league, has not played in a senior international match. Lacks significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. - Taketa (talk) 15:53, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY - Has not played in a fully professional league, has not played in a senior international match. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:33, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - WP:GNG, WP:NFOOTY - Article strongly recommended for deletion. Is an amateur player who has not played a professional game in his life. This article is wholly self-written by an unimportant party and so fails Wikipedia's speedy deletion guideline:,  No indication of importance (individuals). Jdbepono — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdbepono (talk • contribs)
 * Delete - He hasn't played in a Fully professional league and he doesn't have any senior international caps either therefore he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. IJA (talk) 01:15, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment There is media coverage of this article and the deletion debate in the Daily Mail, Mirror and Metro.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:53, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The Highland League is a Professional Senior League.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Froyomofo (talk • contribs) 22:49, 28 October 2014 (UTC)  — Froyomofo (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * It is not a fully professional league. This player, for example, works as a trainee chef "by day"..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:25, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 15:22, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong delete. Seems like a clear case of WP:SNOW - I suggest someone end this sooner rather than later. (And yes, I've read the full 22,000 character version before it was stubbed; I particularly enjoyed the sentence, in the lead section, "He is best known for editing this page himself.") -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 21:58, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I strongly object to blanking the article the way NeilN did. It's much better to give time for people involved to add their sources by adding fact where needed. I would vote for keeping the article, but I doubt anyone is interested in actually helping the author save the article by adding sources to it. In that case it's always better to delete, drive the author away from Wikipedia and forget the whole issue. Right?  // Halibutt 13:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am astonished that a spokesperson for a chapter of Wikimedia Foundation would ignore WP:BLP, a policy strongly influenced by the WMF, and wanting to vote keep without providing any evidence the subject is notable. --Neil N  talk to me 13:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I always add sources when a subject is noteworthy and an article only needs to display more sources (Example). The problem here however is notability. When there is no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, it cannot be added. I did a highbeam search which gave a single result, which was a mere name mention. Please do not imply that people are not doing their best for this article and for everyone involved. If you think we should add sources, consider doing it yourself. Don't worry if an article is blanked, just add sources here. - Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 14:14, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * First of all, I edit as an ordinary editor, and not as a spokesperson. And secondly, I did not comment about notability because it's impossible to establish notability when there are no sources in the article. Also, I pointed to the fact that the AfD on your "abridged" version is not really the same as voting on the original.
 * Don't get me wrong, I meant no harm. I merely wanted to point out that a more fair solution would be to try to fix the article *before* deleting most of it and then nominating the sub-stub leftovers for deletion. And the talk page or the article's history do not mention any attempts at fixing the article, which is why I wrote what I did. AAMoF I encountered a very similar case not long ago and nominated it for deletion myself, but only after I tried to work things out with the author and did my best at trying to source it. Sure, not everyone has the time to do this, but IMO that's a safer way, as it doesn't drive people away from the project.
 * To make it 100% clear, I know very little about sports and even less about Scottish football. I don't claim this article's subject is notable (well, he might be - now that the article was picked up by the mainstream media :D), or that the author is actually worth keeping, or that the article is salvageable. But I believe we as a community should have tried. Which is what I meant above. And which is why I didn't vote either way, merely commented on the procedure. Peace to all.  // Halibutt 14:38, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * An interesting read. —WFC— FL wishlist 16:38, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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