Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fraternities and Sororities at the University of British Columbia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. SushiGeek 03:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Fraternities and Sororities at the University of British Columbia
Wikipedia is not for advertising; overall unencyclopedic material. Also, most of the information was summed up in the main university article already and needs nothing more, in my opinion. Buchanan-H e  rmit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK!  05:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment Its not advertising its merely stating facts now. It was advertising before though.
 * Delete Article split off from University_of_British_Columbia but no additional information added to justify new page. Unless the tone and scope of the spur are given a more encyclopædic sheen along with a significant expansion, there is no need to replicate extant information.  (aeropagitica)   06:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete probably also a copyvio from and the local version of  or, etc. Easy come, easy go. Melchoir 06:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Just got rid of the copyvio of the sororities section, on both this article and the University of British Columbia article. Buchanan-H  e  rmit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK!  07:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there's now material that doesn't appear to be a copyvio, but it still reads like an advertisement. There could be about two paragraphs of potentially encyclopedic information, tops; they can go in the main UBC article. Having a separate article here is asking for trouble. I'll hold my delete vote. Melchoir 20:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - original prodder.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 06:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe - I think the intention was to significantly cut down the information on the main UBC article and replace it with a link to this one. As it stands now it is far too self promotional, but I'm not convinced that it can't be turned into something relevent.  As I said in the talk page, I think an article naming the fraternities on campus, saying where the frats are, what they do and giving a brief history would be an acceptably noteworthy page.  I don't know much about the frats and sororities, but I'm under the impression they are a reasonably important presence at UBC.  TastyCakes 06:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - takes this info away from the main ubc article. Also, STOP shatering the interests of new contributors.  They are adding TRUE KNOWLEDGE, that is not getting in the way of other articles, about places which are notable.  UBC is a very large University, and donated content should not be deleted.  This article does not offend Wikipedia by it's presense, therefor include it. --Nick Dillinger 07:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment The reason that not all true knowledge is allowed is that WP does not want to become a joke by letting all manner of frivolty have an article.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Donated content? Yeah, someone worked really hard with the copy and paste commands. Take a look at the article now that the copyvios have been removed. Melchoir 07:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I may not be the greatest writer but the information is fact and isn't biased or trying to recruit anyone.
 * Comment:Not to sound cruel, but I'm kinda laughing at the article after all the copyvio removals... I certainly wasn't expecting the article to turn into THIS! hehe. Buchanan-H  e  rmit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK!  08:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete thinly disguised listcruft. RGTraynor 15:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete UBCcruft. Eusebeus 16:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. No potential to become anything more than a stub. Fagstein 18:39, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete college cruft --Bachrach44 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Fraternities and Sororities are notable. &rArr;    SWAT Jester   [[Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg|18px|]]  Ready    Aim    Fire!  00:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia isn't a junkyard. Ardenn 03:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep The Greek system is a big part of UBC. The information on this page is exactly that information. There is no bias on it anymore its simply stating the facts. I realize before that the info was just copied and pasted from other sites but now it is unique and doesn't have any copyvios. It doesn't promote the Greek system at UBC it simply states what it is and how it works. If it was promoting the Greek system and trying to recruit people through this page then it would be worthy of deletion but not as it is now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.180.73 (talk • contribs)
 * NOTE: Both this vote and the one below are by the same IP
 * NOTE: They're the same IP because all the computers where I live are on the same network. just so you know.

(154.20.180.73). Buchanan-H e  rmit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK!  05:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep The greek system at UBC plays a large part in a lot of the functions at UBC. This article give an accurate and unbiased description of the greek system, and i can't see any reason why it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.180.73 (talk • contribs)
 * NOTE: Both this vote and the one above are by the same IP
 * NOTE: They're the same IP because all the computers where I live are on the same network. just so you know.

(154.20.180.73). Buchanan-H e  rmit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK!  05:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete if its that important, make a page for all student activities, but a page just describing the greek community is pointless and unencyclopedic- how would this information be useful to someone in, say, China? pm_shef 06:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * China has nothing to do with this article. By the way, UBC has a large Chineese student base, and has active recruiting programs over in China as well.  Maybe they would be interested in joining a Fraternity or Sorority when they arrive.--Nick Dillinger 14:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete: Useless listcruft. --Hetar 19:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete as unencyclopedic listcruft and merge (the two lead paragraphs, along with an enumeration of the active fraternities and sororities, belong in the U of BC article, consistent with our work on other university/college articles). Joe 22:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No such thing as unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is not paper, therefore true information should not be cut because of lack of space.  There really is no "cruft", just snobbery by deletionists!--Nick Dillinger 00:13, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * CommentThe position espoused supra, recapitulated on Nick's userpage as "All factual information, as long as it doesn't get in the way of other factual information, should be included, open sourced, and allowed to be readily accessed through Wikipedia and its forks" is not altogether without merit; it is, though, wholly contrary to Wikipedia policy, which policy reflects a consensus of the considered and deliberate judgments of many Wikipedians. One may surely object to policy and even essay the changing of policy, but it is likely that his/her offering opinions on individual AfD discussions will not be as effective as his/her proposing broader or bolder changes to the sundry criteria of WP:NOT, inasmuch as that policy, more than any deletion guidelines, which tend simply to incorporate by reference and interpret WP:NOT, is the policy most at odds with the sort of encyclopedia envisaged by Nick (I should say that I would likely disagree with the changes Nick would seek to make, but seek simply to suggest that, if a debate is to occur, it needs to occur at a different level).
 * comment This has come up a million times before - students at various universities try to make pages specific to their university's, usually a frat/sorority page, and it always fails the AFD as non-notable. The truth is most large fraternities have a page for the national organization. Something specific to one campus is inherent unnotable. --Bachrach44 01:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment This page isn't describing each individual fraternity so the fact that most Fraternities and sororities have there own page is irrelevant. It is describing the particular Greek system at UBC which is different in some ways than say a fraternity or sorority at another school. It is information and not "cruft" as some people seem to be referring it to. The information is plain and simple and there’s nothing trying to promote it, its just once again stating the facts about the Greek system at a University. This is supposed to be the most comprehensive encyclopaedia on the planet. Removing this page would defeat Wikipedia’s purpose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.232.27.184 (talk • contribs)
 * "Cruft" = extraneous, useless or pointless "information". Mere "information" alone doesn't make something Wikipedia-worthy; if so, my penis size or my cat's middle name (both, surely, "information") would merit Wikipedia articles.  To merit inclusion, information must be notable.  There's nothing notable here.  Contrary to your assertion, the article describes nothing about the UBC frat system unusual to any other frat-bearing school; most frats have rooming houses, hold events and participate in inter-Greek councils.  This boils down to a mere list meaningless to a non-UBC student and probably not meaningful to many of those. RGTraynor 14:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, so writting in an article truthful information like "RGTraynor has a 2 inch dick and his cat's name is Tinkerbell Fairy the Pussy" would be cruft, as his small penis and the very wussy name for his cat would be totally extraneous, useless or pointless "information", ie Cruft. But this article, and many others tagged as "cruft" are just information that elitists and deletionists far too often label as cruft and then claim lack of notability.  But guess what?  RGTraylor's penis size is not included in this article.  Neither is his cat's middle name.  Therefore the analogy used by all you deletionists is pure bullshit and

relevant content (buildings and organizations are way more notable than penis sizes for Wikipedia contributors). Also, STOP BEGGING THE QUESTION by declaring something unnotable just because you are a snob. You are wrong, as there is significant disagreement about the definition of notability. Enough with the slipperly slope arguments!--Nick Dillinger 19:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.