Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frazer Brown (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Note that the subject has requested deletion and that there is clearly a case of very marginal notability at best. Under BLP an admin closing an afd can delete in these circumstances. Spartaz Humbug! 20:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Frazer Brown
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I am unconvinced that a producer and director of fringe theatre is of sufficient public interest to warrant a Wikipedia article. Few reliable independent sources mention him, none in any depth, and I see no evidence that he meets any of the WP:ENT criteria.

Aside from the question of the article's relevance as a whole, the article contains a number of substantial unsupported and/or misleading claims.

1. "Frazer Brown (born 13 April 1979) is a British film and theatrical producer, director, impresario, writer and actor. He is best known as the co-founder of the The Rival Theatre Company.[1] He is also the founder of Debonair Films International"

The link given in support of this claim is dead, and is in any case a social network page created by the subject of the article, which I do not believe could be considered a credible independent source.

2. "He is an alumnus of the New York Film Academy and has directed, produced and acted in numerous stage, film and television productions. He has been involved with projects at HBO, So Television, PBS and Vinyl Foote amongst others."

No source is given to support this claim.

3. "Theatre productions have included Nevermind The Broadway and Dorian Gray.[2]"

The source cited states only that a touring production of Nevermind the Broadway took place, and that Johndeep More, known for appearing on Any Dream Will Do, appeared in it. Neither Dorian Gray nor Mr Brown are mentioned.

4. "In 2008 he collaborated with Jason McHugh and Trey Parker on the stage production of Cannibal the Musical."

One of the links [5] provided to support this claim appears to be dead. The others confirm that the production took place, directed by Mr Brown and with Mr McHugh as executive producer and emergency stand-in actor. They do not provide any support for the claim that Mr Parker's involvement with the production extended beyond writing the book, lyrics and score of the film of which it was an adaptation, or even that he was aware the production was taking place.

5. "in 2010 he produced and directed the world premiere workshop of the musical stage adaptation of The Devil's Advocate.[6]with a libretto by author Andrew Neiderman with music composed by Dutch composer Sarif Tribou. [7]."

Link [6] is to Mr Neiderman's personal website and confirms that he and Mr Tribou have written the work in question, but makes no mention of Mr. Brown's involvement. Link [7] redirects to the front page of the Camden Fringe website, suggesting that the press release in question is no longer online.

6. "He is associated with the Young Vic Theatre through the Genesis Foundation [8] and is a production associate of Mercury Musical Developments."

The link confirms that Mr Brown is a member of the Young Vic Directors Programme, which anyone not in full time education who considers him/herself a director may join. It contains a profile of Mr Brown written by himself. No mention is made of the Genesis Foundation or the Mercury Musical Developments.

7. "Early life

Frazer Christian James Aaron Brown was born in London to Eric William John Brown JR and Christine Mary Brown (née Cleveland). He has one younger sibling Verity.

Brown grew up in Ashford, Middlesex. He attended Ashford CofE primary school before attending Bishop wand Secondary School. He then went on to study Art, Film, Law and Performing Arts at Spelthorne College and Photography and Film studies at Brooklands College."

No support is given for any part of this section.

8. "During this time he made his West End debut in the Bill Kenwright musical Robin: Prince of Sherwood at the Piccadilly Theatre amongst other stage and television appearances including The Bill."

No support is given for any part of this statement. However, Mr Brown's IMDB page - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2114253/ - confirms that he appeared in a 1996 episode of The Bill entitled "Chatterbox" as a Gang Member.

9. "Comic Book Career 1994-1997

During his late teens Brown worked as a freelance illustrator and became a regular contributor to Theatre Mask as well as illustrating the theatrical posters and programmes for local dramatic companies. An avid comic collector, Aged 16 he formed his own small press company Embryo Comics, publishing, writing and illustrating the short-lived series Creatures of the Night, Trapped and Quantum Bob. He also had his work published in 2000ad and Defective Comics. His teenage comic career was the focus of the ‘comics’ episode of the educational Television series UK Kids. In 1996 he appeared as a guest at Caption and contributed to Angels of Deception -- the same issue featured Ian Churchill’s comic debut."

No part of this section is supported by references.

10. "Film and Theatre Career 2002 onwards

Between 2002 and 2005 Brown graduated from the New York Film Academy and co-founded The Rival Theatre Company and Debonair Films International. He was the UK based producer for Red Sky Pictures and Great Scott Films. Working on Snow Blind and The Cake Eaters (which was passed on to a different production company) amongst others. He was nominated for 'Best supporting actor' at the Woking Drama Festival for his portrayal Collatine in an adaptation of William Shakespeares sonnet The Rape of Lucrece.[10]"

This link is dead. Moreover, Casting Call Pro biographies are edited by their subjects and do not require verification.

11. "He currently produces, writes and directs independent productions in both theatre and film. He continues to act, sometimes in his own projects as well as external work. In 2009 he produced the short film Rapunzel, directed by Pietra Mello-Pittman in association with Sisters Grimm ltd. The movie received production consultancy from Mike Figgis and was shot using Red Digital Cinema Camera Company technology.[11]"

The linked site confirms that Ms Mello-Pittman directed the film in question, that Mr Figgis consulted on it, and that the camera system in question was used. No mention is made of Mr Brown. He is, however, credited as the film's producer on IMDB.

12. "In 2010 he was due to revive his production of Cannibal! The Musical at the leicester Square Theatre in the West End however this production was cancelled after rights were withdrawn [12]"

The linked article confirms that the production was scheduled to take place and was cancelled. Quotations attributed by the article to Mr Brown state that the rights were never legally granted. Nevertheless, the existence of such an article in a major trade publication represents in my opinion this article's strongest claim to relevance.

13. "Comedy

Brown had a small part in the controversial television series Brass Eye acting alongside Chris Morris. He created and wrote the satirical show Nevermind The Broadway and conceived and produced Hamlet (abridged) at The Etcetera theatre in collaboration with Simon Kane, writer for That Mitchell and Webb Look and Erik Wiener of Famous last nerds, and others. He was a technical consultant on So Graham Norton in New York, and has written sketches for Fox Sports News. In 2008 he directed Cannibal! The Musical from a script and score by Trey Parker. The same year he founded the LOL comedy evening at the etcetera theatre with comedienne Charlotte Jo Hanbury. Acts have included David Whitney, Vicky Stone, Tiffany Stevenson and Fergus Craig In July 2008 he wrote and performed in the play Hello in an attempt to break the Guinness World Record for world's shortest play.[13][14]"

Link [13] confirms that Hello was performed at the 2008 Camden Fringe Festival, and that it was intended to break the Guiness World Record for world's shortest play, although it is not clear that this attempt was noted or validated by Guiness World Records. Mr. Brown's involvement in the 2008 production of Cannibal! The Musical is confirmed by links [3] and [4]. No support is given for any other part of this section, although Mr Brown's aforementioned IMDB page - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2114253/ - confirms that he appeared in Brass Eye.

86.6.138.162 (talk) 02:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: this is not my AFD, I'm good-faith submitting it for the IP who wanted it. tedder (talk) 17:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Holy cow, what a nomination. Is there a golden mean between the dullards who state "Non-notable" and leave it at that and this footnoted essay? I hope so. That said, I wanted to pass along something I learned today on Wikipedia: did you know that an "impresario" is fancy-pants Italian for a "promoter" in contemporary rock and roll lingo? Cool. More to follow. Carrite (talk) 01:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Gag-inducing photo of an Oscar that is not his aside, it seems to me that there is a sufficient corpus of work to merit encyclopedic biography. I'm too lazy to go beyond OTHERSTUFF on this guy, but he's produced enough that I think he's probably notable in WP terms. I hate plays, mind you, but if this guy were a band, we wouldn't be asking these questions. He has done enough. Carrite (talk) 01:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete I see no significant or well-known work, or collective body of work that satisfies WP:CREATIVE. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 00:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Plenty of ref need to be added and it needs to be tidied up, google shows enough reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmfan2424 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * comment - I am Frazer Brown. and I am more than happy to have this page removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:FrazerBrown  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.16.159 (talk) 10:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete I agree that there is little significant work that satisfies WP:CREATIVE, and this appears to be the second time that deletion of this page has been debated. I disagree that google shows enough reliable sources - a quick search for Frazer Brown results in sources that are unreliable or user created. Also, it appears that "Filmfan2424", who comments above about keeping the page, is the creator of the page, and possibly Frazer Brown himself. User:gaylethomas —Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC).


 * comment - I did start the article, but i'm not the subject, happy to discuss policy if i've broken it by adding to this conversation? I've taken on board the notes above and changed most of the article to fit including ref added. all the best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmfan2424 (talk • contribs)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC).
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.