Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freaky Chinese


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Fresh Kid Ice. WP:PAG based arguments clearly come down against retention. Per WP:ATD and WP:CHEAP I'm going with a redirect here. Ad Orientem (talk) 04:31, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Freaky Chinese

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Fails WP:NALBUM. No indication in the article that it charted, and I can't find any sources about it other than passing mentions in articles about the artist, and entries in lists and on vendors' websites. Girth Summit  (blether) 04:19, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  Girth Summit  (blether)  04:19, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Girth Summit  (blether)  04:19, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

oppose/keep The album was original 2 Live Crew member Fresh Kid Ice (Christopher Wong Won's) final studio album. The album did not chart, but it was popular regionally in Miami, represented a collaboration with the Insane Clown Posse on 2 tracks, and is representative of the Miami bass sound, of which Wong Won was a pioneer (and is relatively recently deceased, July 13, 2017). Sundevilesq (talk) 04:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment An assertion that it was popular regionally in Miami does nothing to demonstrate notability in terms of WP:GNG or WP:NALBUM, and it doesn't matter who produced the album since notability is not inherited. What is needed here are sources - if Filmman3000 can find and add some independent reliable sources that give significant coverage to this album (not just stuff about the artist with a passing reference to the album, which is all I could find), then I'd be happy to withdraw the nomination. Girth Summit  (blether)  05:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Keep Will add sources in coming days.Filmman3000 (talk) 05:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Added cited ref from reputable news source re: rapper Flo Rida who appears on 4 of the tracks of the album as a member of the Groundhoggz. Sundevilesq (talk) 21:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Sundevilesq, I don't want to sound patronising, but please do take a look at WP:SIGCOV. That source includes only a single, brief passing mention of the album. It doesn't matter if we find a hundred sources like that, they don't contribute to notability - we need sources that actually discuss the album itself in significant depth. Girth Summit  (blether)  09:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * AND this is why I took a break from Wikipedia from adding/editing pages. You DO come across as patronizing and I read WP:SIGCOV before I added the ref.  The album is significant for the reasons stated, but at this point, do whatever you want.  Hopefully, Filmman3000 can come up with more refs.  In the meantime, be sure to edit and delete everything else I've contributed over the past 2 weeks.  I'm done. Sundevilesq (talk) 21:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm truly sorry you feel like that Sundevilesq - I am not meaning to antagonise you, or to attack you or your contributions. I volunteer at NPP, and part of that process is for us to assess the notability of the subject of any new article against the relevant criteria, and to scrutinise the sources being used to support that notability. Since, in my view at least, that source clearly falls short of the criteria at SIGCOV, I thought you might not have read it; I apologise for making that assumption, and for coming across as patronising. Girth Summit  (blether)  21:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions.  Girth Summit  (blether)  05:38, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * There used to be way more sources on this album. Mostly because it was the first appearance of Flo Rida on an official release.Filmman3000 (talk) 19:47, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete (or redirect to Fresh Kid Ice). I'm only seeing mentions of the album in articles discussing the artist's death. Per WP:NALBUM, this isn't notable enough. –  Broccoli  &#38; Coffee (Oh hai) 05:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment A redirect is probably more appropriate than a delete, I'd be happy with that. Girth Summit  (blether)  13:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * keep and redirect this Andy Kearns (talk) 07:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Andy Kearns - we can't keep it and redirect it - do you mean redirect to Fresh Kid Ice, as Broccoli and Coffee has suggested? Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  08:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * redirect it to the Fresh Kid Ice. Andy Kearns (talk) 09:02, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * striking comments by sock puppet, now blocked Girth Summit  (blether)  12:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Fresh Kid Ice - the album itself is not notable - has not been "the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works" as required by WP:NALBUM - does not meet other criteria, no awards, not on a national chart, not certified gold, etc. - fails to meet notability guidelines, therefore, redirect - Epinoia (talk) 21:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment The album is notable for being rapper's Flo Rida first appearance on an album.Filmman3000 (talk) 22:41, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited WP:NOTINHERITED - Epinoia (talk) 00:01, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


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