Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fred Bergdinon


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The result was keep.  MBisanz  talk 18:20, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Fred Bergdinon

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Hockey player who played only two professional games, and made no contribution of significance in either one. No sources could be found outside of statistical databases. It's unlikely significant coverage in offline newspapers exists. A marginal pass of WP:NHOCKEY shouldn't supersede WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:SIGCOV in this instance. 4meter4 (talk) 04:22, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment. This article explains the confusion about the player's surname and provides additional biographic detail. I looked for details about his death in 1995, but the online search at the Windsor Star doesn't go back that far. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. It would be helpful if someone with access to Boston newspapers of the 1925-1926 season could check for coverage, particularly when he was initially signed for the team and when he received his career-ending (or at least season-ending) injury. The Boston Globe and Boston Herald websites don't have anything, but probably their indexes don't go back that far. The reason WP:NHOCKEY and other topic-specific guidelines exist is that references often exist that are hard to find, particularly for people, organizations and events before the Internet era. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 11:24, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Meets WP:NHOCKEY. NHOCKEY is particularly relevant for older subjects where online sources are not likely to be representative of the sources that were available at the time. Rlendog (talk) 15:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * With a player that has such a short and insignificant career, I don't think we can rationally or reasonably presume offline sources exist. In fact I would be very surprised if he got any coverage in newspapers of his day or other sports reference works. 4meter4 (talk) 15:10, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'm sympathetic to 4meter4's argument, and I've always been uneasy about the one-top-flight-game-no-matter-if-nothing-is-known-about-you=notable premise. Someone with an otherwise utterly unremarkable life, where biographical information is both sparse and disputed, and as far as anyone knows never even played professionally other than those two games? That's a prime candidate for a list article.  Since I do have access to early Massachusetts newspapers, I'll take a look after the weekend.   Ravenswing      18:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. By the time this subject died (in 1995), the Internet was already in common use. Is any biographical information available from obituaries? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, 0 Newspapers.com hits (under different versions of the first name) and only a nominal meet of the hockey guideline. Geschichte (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Player played in multiple games in the NHL. Easily passes NHOCKEY. -DJSasso (talk) 19:49, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Firstly, the top-level leagues, such as the NHL in hockey, are such an important level of play that it's incredibly important for us to be as complete and thorough as possible a reference for everybody who was ever there at all. Just merging some players into lists doesn't cut it — List of Boston Bruins players does not offer anywhere to document his birthplace, his birth and death dates or his OHA record. That's precisely why the notability criteria for sportspeople have the "one game in the top leagues = notable" rule in the first place — because it's incredibly important that we have as complete as feasibly possible a record of every single person who ever played for the Boston Bruins at all, rather than picking and choosing and leaving some Bruins in the dust. Does it need better sources, yes — but on that point, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that the article also has a redirect to it from the spelling "Fred Bourdginon", which actually has more mainspace links travelling through it than are actually linking directly to the "Bergdinon" spelling — and even "Bourdginon" is a spelling error what I or anybody else with French Canadian ancestry can guarantee was actually on his birth certificate, Bourgdinon. So if you're having trouble finding sources, try the Bourdginon and Bourgdinon spellings as well. (Which I don't think anybody did, because the only thing anybody mentioned above is having tried a couple of variations on his first name.) Bearcat (talk) 14:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


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