Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fred G. Barrett


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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:29, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Fred G. Barrett

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Biography of a mayor, not sourced well enough to get him over WP:NPOL. The base requirement for local officeholders to get articles is that they have been the subject of significant press coverage, but all that's cited here is one obituary, one article about the process of selecting his interim successor, and the webpage of the local historical society -- there's literally no evidence being cited of any coverage for anything he did during his mayoralty. And even the content of the article, as written, is just "he lived, he worked, he got married, he became mayor and then he died" -- basic biographical details that have no bearing on notability at all -- so there's no basis on which to hand him a presumption of notability in the absence of more sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:09, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep The fact he the stadium is named after him (Fred G. Barrett Arena) appears to be notable, at least in Ottawa, so giving me pause to blanket say delete because coverage is not enough, especially when said coverage would have been in the early 80s. Earnsthearthrob (talk) 16:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * "Has had a municipally-owned building or street named after him" is not, in and of itself, a free NPOL pass for a mayor — at a random guess, half to two-thirds of everybody who'd ever been mayor of anywhere would get a Wikipedia article if having had a street or a rec centre or a library branch or some other piece of municipal infrastructure named after them following their death were all it took. And while it's true that any coverage of him would have been in the early 1980s and thus probably wouldn't be lounging out in the open on the Googles, I've done a ProQuest search and found nothing useful there either: apart from just three relatively trivial hits contemporaneous to his term as mayor, literally all I get otherwise is a bunch of references to the arena, and a small handful of namechecks of him in coverage of the byelection to choose his successor. (And this is in a database that includes newspapers from Ottawa where local coverage of him would be quite routinely expected to exist, yet I still found literally nothing of value.) Bearcat (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:10, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:10, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:37, 18 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:48, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , were you able to find a readable copy of the column on page 2 of the July 3, 1984 Ottawa Citizen entitled "Barrett capped his long political career with mayoral victory"?  (Unfortunately the Google photocopy of this page is illegible.) Also, according to the biography at Hockey Draft Central, longtime NHL defenseman Fred Barrett was Fred G. Barrett's son, and "Fred G. Barrett played a major role in the growth of minor hockey in the Ottawa area."  If nothing else, a sentence or two about the father should be added to the younger Fred's bio. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No, that didn't turn up in the ProQuest search — probably because ProQuest works from the same microfilms that Google News does, so if it's illegible in the Google scan then ProQuest wouldn't have had an OCRable copy either — but that's plainly little more than a blurb in length, so even if we could actually read it somewhere to extract any actual information it still couldn't single-handedly lock in a GNG pass all by itself if it was the only new source we could actually add to what's already here. Bearcat (talk) 15:47, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: One more relist, then this should be closed as NC
 * Delete per nom as non-notable, pure and simple. --Lockley (talk) 08:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 22:42, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Failing the GNG and NPOL L3X1 (distænt write)   )evidence(  13:29, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: fails WP:BIO.   Dr Strauss   talk   16:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails both GNG and NPOL. Very little detail in the article itself. Merits the mention he received for being mayor on the Gloucester, Ontario, article, but that's about it. Cthomas3 (talk) 20:35, 10 July 2017 (UTC)


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