Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fred Khoshtinat


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The result was   keep. Tone 22:29, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Fred Khoshtinat

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Fails WP:ENT and WP:MUSIC. The subject of the article has won an award in Democracy Video Challenge which is not enough to pass notability. Farhikht (talk) 16:23, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep The Democracy Video Challenge is notable enough for Wikipedia, and both it and the Khoshtinat article seem reasonably sourced... though his is in need of cleanup. Quite unusual for an Iranian filmmaker to get coverage in the West, and of course, it is also unusual for a Iranian to win the notable Democracy Video Challenge... so this unique event seems worthy enough of note to me... and strangely we do have sources for him in Russian, but which will require a Russian language reading Wikipedian to translate.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 04:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * With respect I'm not agree with your point on the situation of Iranian filmmakers in the west: They get always great coverage from western media, and in Iran also, we have great movie magazines and newspapers like Bonnifilm Daily, Cinemaema.com, cafecinema, cinemapress, Film Magazine, Cinema and Literature, and many many other websites. On sources of the article I have to add that neither Payvand.com nor Iranian.com are reliable.Farhikht (talk) 13:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well... my observation is that when I see an Iranian filmmaker or actor brough to AFD, I find far less coverage in Western media for them than for an equivalent Western individiual. And that we Westerners do not have access to the Iranian magazines you mention, seems to underscore my point in how en.Wikipedia needs to strive in avoiding its own inherent and unfortunate systemic bias. I will await translation of the Russian language sources which DO choose to cover this individual when the West does not.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 22:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Schmidt on the notability of the Democracy Video Challenge. Besides, it seems to me that the nominated person merely works on alternative and underground projects. I think this is the reason we cannot find anything in the iranian movie magazines and newspapers about him. We shouldn't forget that the strong censorship in iran, makes it very difficult to get independent reliable information on artists, especially of this type. DrPhosphorus (talk) 13:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. Per sufficient RS coverage.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
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