Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fred Lavery


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Lakewind Sound Studios. Liz Read! Talk! 19:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Fred Lavery

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a record producer and songwriter, not properly sourced as passing WP:NMUSIC. The strongest notability claim here is winning a regional music award, which would be fine if the article were well-sourced but isn't a national award for the purposes of conferring a free pass over NMUSIC #8 in and of itself -- but the only footnotes here are primary sources that aren't support for notability at all, and even on a WP:BEFORE search for other sources I get a lot of glancing namechecks of his existence in coverage of other things, but virtually nothing that's about him for the purposes of building passage of GNG. Bearcat (talk) 16:45, 1 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lord Roem ~ (talk) 19:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 16:45, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment Studio he operates seems notable and, perhaps redirect there? Oaktree b (talk) 00:38, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Reply to above - . Good idea Oaktree. I have now created an article for Lakewind Sound Studios. If the AFD discussion leads away from a keep, if could possibly be merged and redirected to article, this preserving the history. Thanks for taking the time to do some research and bring up the studio. Karl Twist (talk) 12:23, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete for several reasons. First off, with only two citations, one of which is a governmental tourist board, there is a lack of significant coverage. Second, producers do not automatically pass WP:CREATIVE or WP:NBAND; there must be evidence they produced a notable work of music or album. Finally, producers are usually, as with this person, run of the mill. Bearian (talk) 20:01, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep or redirect & merge. Fred Lavery did compose the regional hit "Song for Noel". I just had a look at his credits on Discogs - here and it is fairly impressive. Also a C&P from the page content here "In 2001 Lavery won ECMA SOCAN "Songwriter of the Year" for "Get Me Through December" a song co written with Gordie Sampson recorded by Natalie MacMaster and sung by Alison Krauss. In the Spring of 2007 Alison Krauss included this song on her Rounder Records US release "A Hundred Miles or More". I haven't got time to do any more research. But anyway, if the article leans away from Keep, a redirect will preserve the history and when any more info is forthcoming, we could look at it as a standalone. Karl Twist (talk) 12:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Additional comment, gosh the article is so poorly sourced. It needs a fair amount of work to get it up to scratch Karl Twist (talk) 12:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.