Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fred Toye


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR per low participation herein. North America1000 05:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Fred Toye

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Subject fails WP:DIRECTOR and overarching WP:GNG. Prod removed to discuss notability criteria, which he looks to fail. GauchoDude (talk) 16:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:00, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Television directors rarely get the credit they deserve or interviewed enough to merit standalone news articles written about them. I just added a source about his early career but rest of the article was about him speaking to a film class on technique. All that aside, Toye has enough television work, in some popular series, to pass the credible notability line, as some of his work is linked in his article, one of which ("Subject 13") is cited as being a critical favorite. —  Wylie pedia  05:45, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Isn't that kind of the point? If he's not getting interviewed enough to have stand alone articles, then that's a basic failure of the above WP:GNG.  If any subject/topic/potential article fails GNG, as I'm sure you know, then everything else is irrelevant and they don't deserve an article full stop per the definition of GNG.  Furthermore, I find it very hard to believe that a television director could be viewed as "important" when their entire career consists of him jumping from show to show directing a few episodes here and there as his iMDb profile suggests. GauchoDude (talk) 18:34, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think you comprehend how television directing works, so I'll leave this here: (from the television director article) "In a television show composed of individual episodes, the television director's role may differ from a film director's in that he or she will usually work only on some television episodes instead of being the auteur of the entire production." —  Wylie pedia  00:48, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * you're pulling a line from an article that has multiple issues, including no sourcing, to justify why Fred Toye's is notable? Ultimately, for me he fails WP:GNG, which is a notability guideline that "is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article."  As Toye fails this basic standard, it stands to reason that he doesn't warrant having an article.  If you can demonstrate articles and publications in which Toye becomes eligible under GNG, please let me know as I'm more than happy to reconsider. GauchoDude (talk) 20:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I used that article to show that there is a difference in film and television directing, which you believe Toye fails (WP:DIRECTOR). I'm not here to prove anything or to change anyone's mind, but if he is deleted, which this listing is for and not discussion, then Category:Television directors and its subs should be gutted to only have award winners. —  Wylie pedia  00:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:19, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


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