Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freddie Pendavis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Paris Is Burning (film). Any relevant, sourced content can be merged from the history if desired.  Sandstein  09:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Freddie Pendavis

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"Fashion designer, television consultant and ballroom legend", only claim of notability was to be interviewed in a 1990 documentary. No RS/SIGCOV presented, coverage is all of Paris is Burning (and a good old fashioned search reveals no SIGCOV out there, either). Fails WP:GNG. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:02, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Film,  and United States of America. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:02, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Entertainment, Fashion, Sexuality and gender,  and New York. Innisfree987 (talk) 15:48, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Freddie Pendavis is one of the last living members of a fairly recent and major historical and artistic movement. He’s one of the last to survive because everyone around him died of AIDS, murder, and health conditions caused by the poverty queer people of color were and often are subjected to. He was hired as a consultant on Pose because he is one of the only people left from that era to advise on what a period piece like that show should be like, basically being a human key to those times for the rest of us because that community had to be so underground for its people’s safety, and also because it was so unappreciated at the time that there isn’t tons of historical documentation. Again, not to mention, most people died of AIDS in their twenties and thirties. Finally, Pendavis still contributes to the overall culture. He’s the head of the legendary house of Pendavis, Lena Waithe wore his face on her outfit to the Met Ball, and he continues to speak for his deceased community and family members to share their historical experience since they can’t, despite how painful that is for him. Elttaruuu (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If you guys delete the page, that’s your prerogative but it will go back up again next time he does something iconic and especially when he dies and it gets publicized on every major news source. Feels like it’d be wiser to keep an organized page of what sources we have now to add on to as these events occur rather than deleting under the guise of notability only to have to start from scratch. Elttaruuu (talk) 19:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Elttaruuu: How important he is is just not how Wikipedia decides whether to have a page. Especially for the protection of a living person, we have to decide based on whether enough fact-checked sources exist to cover them fairly. If you feel he deserves to be covered more than he has been, the solution is to pitch those stories to reliable media outlets. Wikipedia isn’t the place to do so. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I would add tho I haven’t made up my mind about whether this subject meets notability criteria; it’s a little hard to decide because of the number of included references that either don’t mention the subject at all or only do so in passing (ie, for a sentence or two). Elttaruuu, if you are so inclined, would you point out the three best sources, that is, reliable sources that cover the subject in the most depth, to clarify the case? Thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure! I will work on that now. Elttaruuu (talk) 20:24, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * On Sibling Love, Queer Attachment and American Writing https://www.google.com/books/edition/On_Sibling_Love_Queer_Attachment_and_Ame/2K-oDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=freddie+pendavis&pg=PT106&printsec=frontcover
 * https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/05/232085/lena-waithe-pyer-moss-jacket-invented-met-gala-2019
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9DCklTEliI Elttaruuu (talk) 20:52, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Thank you User:Elttaruuu for that assistance. Unfortunately I don’t see that meeting GNG. The academic source is pretty good, and on reflection I think the documentary itself counts, but the YouTube link is a Q&A (a primary source not secondary so it doesn’t help for GNG) and the Refinery29 has only a single sentence mentioning the subject. It does not add up to WP:SIGCOV for me. Suggest redirecting to the doc. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:02, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay makes sense! Thank you for your attention. I don’t know how to redirect  Elttaruuu (talk) 22:35, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Elttaruuu, sure thing. At this point we should wait to see community consensus before moving the entry; generally once this discussion is open, the community has at least 7 days to weigh in. After that, the person who closes the AfD will usually take care of executing the result then. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


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