Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederick Kimber Seward


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The result was   keep. Spartaz Humbug! 20:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Frederick Kimber Seward

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as per WP:ONEVENT for surviving Titantic disaster. he gets a few gnews hits but not indepth, and. LibStar (talk) 01:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep If the part about 'He served as the chairman of the committee investigating the sinking' can be expanded, that seems like a pretty important role post-disaster. Morhange (talk) 03:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep His reliable source coverage runs from the 1912 to a New York Times obituary and beyond his death in several books. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:32, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - he warranted a New York Times obituary. The fact (which I presume to be true but can't verify) that he was the chairman of a committee that investigated The Titanic 's sinking puts his notability beyond doubt. - Richard Cavell (talk) 07:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to RMS_Titanic per WP:ONEEVENT. I can't see how he's notable apart from having chaired the investigatory committee, and the committee should be covered in the main article. Claritas § 11:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree with Richard Cavell above. SteveStrummer (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am changing the reason for my Keep because I just did some very revelatory investigation. Looking closely at the given sources, I see that the person cited in the Times obituary (as well as Who's Who and other sources) is clearly a different man than the one who is said to have been on the Titanic. Please see the fuller explanation on Talk:Frederick Kimber Seward, but note my vote is now a Strong Keep because this long-lived article seems to have infected Encyclopedia: Titanica and many other wiki-mirrors. I believe it's necessary to set the record straight by rewriting this biography according to the facts given by the Times obituary (and any other valid sources). SteveStrummer (talk) 11:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good on you for the detective work there. First, let's understand that in those days, typos and alternative spellings of names were not uncommon. It's still possible it's the same guy. But whatever the truth is, it should be here for all to see. - Richard Cavell (talk) 11:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm with you about the spelling differences, but the crucial fact here is that none of the reliable sources call him a Titanic survivor, an omission that is virtually inconceivable. The "Frederick Seward" who survived the Titanic must be a different man entirely, or he is a myth.... SteveStrummer (talk) 13:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Update - I have changed this article extensively since yesterday. Please view the new article as well as the Talk page before voting or closing. SteveStrummer (talk) 04:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - the original US Senate inquiry documents list Mr. Frederick K. Steward Seward as someone who survived the sinking. The survivor was travelling first class, which would be consistent with him being a 34 year old lawyer from that era. The survivor gave his UK address as the Savoy Hotel in London, which would be consistent with him having travelled to London temporarily. The Titanic was travelling to New York City, so it would make sense for our man Seward to be on it. I still reckon it might be the same guy. Note also, one of the Titanic crew was Wilfrid Seward, a Second Class Pantry Steward, who gave a UK address and might be related or not.
 * I can't get that Senate report link to open but I'm going to keep trying. But did you say Frederick K. Steward, or is that a typo? SteveStrummer (talk) 08:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The link opens for me. It's Seward, sorry. Wilfrid Seward was a steward, and that's what threw me. - Richard Cavell (talk) 09:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note to others: Taking the discussion to User talk:Richardcavell as to whether it's the same guy. - Richard Cavell (talk) 10:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This matter has been settled: I've edited the article (again) and provided new sources that show that Frederic aka Frederick is indeed a Titanic survivor, and was indeed the chairperson of the survivors' committee which honored RMS Carpathia. So: for its original reasons, my "Keep" vote still stands. :) SteveStrummer (talk) 16:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, for me too. Note also that he was the nominated claimant in a class action (or whatever such things were called in 1912) against the operator of the Titanic. This guy is surely notable now. - Richard Cavell (talk) 03:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Single event theory. Melanesian obsession (talk) 04:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Except he has coverage from 1912 to 1943 which means he doesn't fit that Wikipedia rule. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Several of the sources now in the article don't even mention his surviving the Titanic, but instead focus on other aspects of his life. That suggest that he's notable for more than one thing so WP:ONEVENT doesn't look like an issue. Alzarian16 (talk) 14:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They were always there, SteveStrummer removed several references when he thought that there were two people: A Titanic guy, and a lawyer guy. His NYT obit was the first reference added, and it doesn't mention the Titanic at all, that what confused SteveStrummer. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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