Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederick T. Haneman


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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:22, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Frederick T. Haneman

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There seem to be no indepth reliable independent sources about Haneman, and half the info in the current article is unverifiable (New York Journal info is unverifiable, and the "American Jewish Yearbook" seem to refer to one entry he wrote for it, nothing more. Birth year of 1863 also wasn't verifiable) Fram (talk) 13:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
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 * I had a tough time finding any sources in various databases, even searching for "FT Haneman," which it seems he may have been credit by in at least one of the publications mentioned in the article. Killiondude (talk) 01:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Satisfies GNG [and AUTHOR]. Managing editor of the New York Medical Journal (hence the confusion), and I see amongst other things an obituary (Jersey Shore) giving date of death as 1950, a book review in the Athenaeum and biographical dictionary says "Haneman Frederick Theodore" editor of said medical journal born 20 September 1862  (not 1863), so that clears up that mystery as well. James500 (talk) 19:23, 21 August 2018 (UTC) Words in square brackets added. James500 (talk) 18:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , can you add some additional information about these sources, so that people can verify them? The only link you give goes to a typical sham "blue book", which gives no notability at all (it is a kind of who's who where everyone who paid was entered). Being a managing editor also doesn't give notability as such (but of course is relevant information to have in the article), so what we have is an obituary in "jersey shore", but I can't find a newspaper with that name, and I can't find any obituary through Google newspaper archive (which, of course, isn't all-inclusive). Similarly, my search of The Athenaeum for "Haneman" gave no results at all. Presumably you meant one of the oter magazines with the same title, but without any indication of which book they reviewed, when, in which actual magazine, this is impossible to verify. Fram (talk) 10:14, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The book review in the Athaneum is at page 144 of this: . The Jersey Shore is pages 404 to 409 of this:   which says amongst other things that he had a "national reputation". Obituary in Typographical Journal  gives date of death as 3 May 1950 at Brigantine, New Jersey. Other sources include, in particular:  . That is from a non-exhaustive search of GBooks. Other sources come up on searches for obvious queries. I can't see any positive evidence that the blue book is a scam. If you have some, please provide it. Managing editor of the journal might satisfy PROF. As for AUTHOR, I suspect there may be other reviews as he contributed to a number of encyclopedias and periodicals. James500 (talk) 17:55, 24 August 2018 (UTC) And indeed I was correct: for example on a search for, periodical book reviews of his contribution to that do indeed come up:   . So we now have a clear pass of AUTHOR, and I would presumably find more reviews if I tried the same technique with the other reference works and periodicals he contributed to. James500 (talk) 18:05, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but that "book review" in the Athenaeum is in fact a very passing mention to one paper. His work as managing director of tht journal has received no attention and doesn't meet NRPOF at all. Your search for his work on the international encyclopedia: you give three results, but I can't see the second one, and the first and third are the exact same letter to the editor. The "obituary" in the typographical journal is a one line mention in a long list of deceased members. The only longer source is a the Jersey Shore one. Perhaps that one is sufficient to scrape by WP:BIO, but it is a far cry from the passes of WP:PROF and WP:AUTHOR you claim to have found. Fram (talk) 06:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The Athenaeum is a book review of a volume of the Jewish Encyclopedia to which Haneman contributed, and it reviews his article on "post-Talmudic medical science" in that encyclopedia directly and in detail. It is not a passing mention. It is a periodical review for the purpose of AUTHOR. Haneman's biography in Who Was Who in America is a very detailed source. The Abridged Biography and Genealogy Master Index says that there is a biography of Haneman in at least one of the biographical dictionaries published by Gale Research. It does not say how much detail that biography has, but we would need to find out before dismissing it. Why do you think that the material ("Article on Poisonous Plants in the New International Encyclopedia") in the American Journal of Veterinary Medicine is a letter and not a review? James500 (talk) 02:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 21:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per SkyGazer 512. -- Gprscrippers (talk) 18:48, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you mean per James500? I didn't actually "vote" in this discussion, I just relisted the discussion to provide more time for others to comment on it.-- SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 18:52, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, yes. --Gprscrippers (talk) 17:08, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 08:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: meets WP:NAUTHOR per review of available sources. Sufficient for a stub. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:30, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources above, plus there was an obit in the New York Herald Tribune (1926-1962); New York, N.Y. [New York, N.Y]04 May 1950: 24..E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:58, 6 September 2018 (UTC)


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