Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederick Vining


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 05:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__

Frederick Vining

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This person probably existed, but it seems like they weren't notable. We have fondagrave.com and a vintage photo from a book of vintage photos, which doesn't substantially cover the subject of the article Big Money Threepwood (talk) 04:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Artists,  and Theatre. Big Money Threepwood (talk) 04:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:16, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * There is a long paragraph about him in the DNB article about his brother George Vining. The article is probably worth retaining since it can be expanded (which I intend to do, since I created the WP article George Vining). AtticTapestry (talk) 07:42, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: Material added regarding his reputation and material from his obituary.Leutha (talk) 18:44, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. The page has been improved with references that seem to show he satisfies the requirement for notability (Note: Find a Grave, although it's generally accurate, I find, is a bit like IMDb, and not accepted as a source on this Wikipedia). Thanks.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  20:04, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails GNG and NBIO. Source eval:
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! Comments !! Source Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  22:37, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Dababase entry || 1. Frecker, Paul. "Frederick Vining". Library of Nineteenth-Century Photography. Paul Frecker. Retrieved 7 October 2021.
 * Source appears to be society Who's Who style promo bio from 1824. Fails WP:RS. Subject is mentioned, not named, brief information, no SIGCOV about subject, doesn't use the subject's first first name. || 2. ^ Jump up to:a b c The Biography of the British Stage: Being Correct Narratives of the Lives of All the Principal Actors & Actresses .. Interspersed with Original Anecdotes and Choice and Illustrative Poetry. To which is Added, a Comic Poem, Entitled "The Actress.". London: Sherwood, Jones & Co. 1824.
 * Blog post/database entry || 3. ^ Jump up to:a b c Frecker, Paul. "Frederick Vining (1790-1871)". paulfrecker.com. Paul Frecker.
 * Find a grave || 4. ^ "Frederick Augustus Vining (1790-1871) - Find A..." www.findagrave.com. Find a Grave. Retrieved 7 October 2021.
 * }
 * Nothing from WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. #2 above comes the closest, but a single source from 1824 does meet WP:N.  // Timothy :: talk  12:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Find a grave || 4. ^ "Frederick Augustus Vining (1790-1871) - Find A..." www.findagrave.com. Find a Grave. Retrieved 7 October 2021.
 * }
 * Nothing from WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. #2 above comes the closest, but a single source from 1824 does meet WP:N.  // Timothy :: talk  12:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. Satisfies GNG and criteria 3 of ANYBIO. He has an article in the ODNB and in Boase's Modern English Biography: . These are the standard biographical dictionaries. There is a biography in Roach, listed here: . Profile in The Theatrical Times: . Obituary in The Era, 11 June 1871, p 11: . Both cited by Boase. There is other coverage:      . He was "well known": . There is a lot of other coverage, including, amongst other things, coverage of his performances, and even a garotte attack on him in 1867, in the British Newspaper Archive. Our article already even cites his obituary in the Birmingham Daily Gazette: . A newspaper article from 1871 does not become a "blog post/database entry" just because it is quoted on a website. There is no indication that there is anything wrong with the Biography of the British Stage, which is cited by other sources (including 40 articles in the ODNB) that are certainly reliable. Praise, even when very enthusiastic, is not the same thing as promotion. It certainly is significant coverage, and it would be perfectly obvious which Mr Vining the book is talking about, even if that fact was not confirmed by this: . James500 (talk) 01:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep given sources James500 has provided. Seems to fulfill GNG. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. This actor is notable enough to have several reviews written about him and, although not all favourable, it is not clear where the full breadth of information about him is published if not on Wikipedia. Tithon (talk) 00:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. A scholar or author will find this article a godsend when writing a footnote. Just because he's deeply historically obscure, doesn't lessen his notability. MisterWizzy (talk) 05:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


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