Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederik Andersen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Nomination withdrawn. No delete votes (non-admin closure) Goodvac (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Frederik Andersen

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Non-notable minor league hockey player who has not yet established himself to meet notability requirements per WP:NHOCKEY. Plays in a low level European league that cannot be considered fully proffesional, and I am unable to verify that this player has played in any IIHF event. Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball. Dolovis (talk) 17:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  —Dolovis (talk) 17:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep One of the references on the page already shows he was selected to his national team for the World Championships in 2009. Wasn't all that hard to verify. It also mentions he was selected to the national team for Olympic Qualification. Any player who plays on a senior national team meets WP:NHOCKEY. -DJSasso (talk) 19:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep: Are you serious!? This is getting downright ridiculous, Dolovis. Not only does this player play at the highest level of Danish ice hockey (showing he meets NHOCKEY #1—and if you disagree with that just look at the conversation going on at WT:HOCKEY that you are taking part in where consensus is building to clarify that—you could have at least waited until that was over), BUT he also has played in both the 2009 AND 2010 IIHF World Championships which is the highest level of international ice hockey!! "I am unable to verify that this player has played in any IIHF event"!? How far did you look? At the article? Because anywhere else shows he has. Check "what links here" and you'll see his inclusion in the 2009 and 2010 roster pages. Or hey, Google "Frederik Andersen IIHF" and guess what comes up. A crapload of sources showing all the events he has played in. Quit trying to make a POINT, you're wasting everyone's time and you damn well know it. – Nurmsook!  talk...  19:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions.  —DJSasso (talk) 19:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. It needs to be added to the article body, but yes, Andersen has played in the World Championships: . Resolute 20:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, regardless of any clubs he has played for the fact that he has played two games in the 2010 World Cup shows he easily meets NHOCKEY, . Salavat (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Another nom contrary to consensus and without a WP:BEFORE.  Grsz 11 21:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The claim that he has competed in the World Cup fails WP:V. I searched though the IIHF Media Guide and Record Book 2011, which is the Official IIHF publication that lists the complete A-Z register for every player, coach and official (men and women) who have participated in any top level IIHF tournament - and his name is not listed. Dolovis (talk) 00:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you miss the link above to the official stats sheet on the IIHF website here? And heck lets throw in the official roster sheet as well. It's completely verified. Perhaps you missed it in the book. Hopefully you are done with your WP:POINT nominations by now. They are wasting alot of peoples time. -DJSasso (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * And even better I can give you game summary #1 and game summary #2. All these links were very easily found with a simple google search. -DJSasso (talk) 01:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Dolovis, just because you are being ignorant in your "search" of this guy's playing history, doesn't make his participation fail WP:V. Especially when this AfD has linked ample evidence of it. I would suggest you back off your POINT before one of us actually decides to take a mediation route or something that would almost certainly result in a block. Your edits are becoming increasingly disruptive and do not help the Wiki. Obviously you are taking full advantage of being bold, but there is such thing as common sense, especially when you purposely ignore evidence others provide. It really doesn't help your cause if you are trying to establish any legitimacy here, and certainly makes it hard for many of us to assume good faith when it comes to your edits. For the record, here are some more verifiable sources regarding his participation (one even has a picture of him participating!! visual proof!), , , , , etc etc.– Nurmsook!  talk...  02:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Try to assume Good Faith. I am not making any POINT here. Djsasso removed the PROD stating that he had played in KHL (which was false) and that he was on a "World Championship Team" (also false). I searched through my on-line sources and was unable to verify the stated claims to notability. I then searched through my copy of the newly published "Official IIHF Guide" in which he is not listed. I have double checked this Guide, and he is not listed. Since I am looking at the "Official" IIHF source, there are only two possibilities: One, he played in the World Championships but was somehow omitted from the Official IIHF Guide; or Two, he did not play in any IIHF top level tournaments. The on-line sources cited are not "Official" sources, and so the information gained from them is suspect. When I am confronted with conflicting sources, I will always defer to the Official source. Dolovis (talk) 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) DJ's reason for removing the Prod was that he "Meets NHOCKEY plays in top danish league", which is correct. No mention of the KHL. And 2), how can you possibly discount the OFFICIAL game sheets, rosters, and statistics of the tournament FROM the IIHF? The very same author of your book. Explain to me how IIHF game sheets are not official. And in that explanation, please describe who you think provides the official game sheets of these tournaments. – Nurmsook!  talk...  02:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding me? The online sources ARE THE IIHF. Explain to me how the IIHF is not an official source please. And I never said anything about the KHL. What you are doing is trying to make a point arguments, and you make them over and over so many times it becomes pretty much impossible to assume any good faith. Frankly I don't even believe you have looked in that book. Seeing as how the player also played in several World Junior championships and the book you quote also includes world juniors players. -DJSasso (talk) 02:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Withdraw nomination: As I have said, it is important to assume good faith as much as possible, or, minimally to assume incompetence instead of malice. I am offering my sincere apology to all who were inconvenienced by my failure to notice that the IIHF Guide has 8 pages for "current goaltenders" (359-366) placed in the middle of the 600 page guide. When the PROD was contested, false reason were given, but I did overlooked the player's listing when searching the Guide. I have now found our goaltender's listing, and the IIHF Guide does confirm that he played a total of 2 games in the 2010 World Championships (but he did not play in 2009), and he did play 4 games in the 2008 World Juniors (but not in several). It was my honest mistake, and I hereby withdraw my nomination for deletion. Dolovis (talk) 02:24, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record, because I hate to see such a well respected user here face claims that false reasons were given for removing the PROD, claim 1) was that the subject "Meets NHOCKEY plays in top danish league" which not even you can deny (he plays in the AL-Bank Ligaen, the top Danish league), and claim 2) was that "and was on a world championship national team...." which you have now admitted that he was on the Danish team that played at the world championships. So to say that false reasons were given in the removal of the PROD is total BS. I think you need to listen to yourself and exhibit some good faith here. You run around arguing against everything that each of these reliable and experienced users say. Most of us (that I know of anyways) do not have personal vendetta's. We follow policy. So when we make a claim, and especially when that claim is backed by multiple users, there's a good chance it's true. – Nurmsook!  talk...  02:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflicted)Since it doesn't matter at this point so I won't throw up more links....but he played in three U-20 World Juniors, two of them were in Div 1 and the one you mention in the championship division. He also played in two U-18 World Juniors. He was also on the roster of the 2009 team at the world championships but did not get any ice time. As well no false reason was given for its removal, I said he played in the top level danish league which he does, and I said he was on the world championship which he was. Please stop trying to spread false information. -DJSasso (talk) 02:32, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
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