Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Free Republic of Verdis


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The result was delete. 109 citizens, approximately 10% of whom have !voted to delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:23, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Free Republic of Verdis

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A self-proclaimed micronation, only sourced to its own press releases. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 19:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete this article got picked up by a couple other publications, but that's all I can find in Croatian. Fails WP:GNG. Probably relevant to briefly mention on the Croatia-Serbia border dispute article, though. SportingFlyer  T · C  20:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG, at least one of the sources on the page is marked (MENAFN - PRLog), flagging it an a press release.  But the point is that this recently declared country had drawn very little attention.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that the page Free Republic of Verdis lacks an AfD template.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I restored the template, which had been removed by an IP.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:09, 29 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete . Fails WP:GNG Believe it is a hoax and info/sources are published by the creator as this subject in draft page have been deleted many times and all creator are sock - see here.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:05, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete micro-nation which lacks notability. Not sure I agree it merits a short mention in another article. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:11, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've removed a specific mention of the micronation from the Croatia–Serbia border dispute article, merging it with another micronation, but I've kept the citation, even though it's Buzzara. SportingFlyer  T · C  08:24, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Note There's legit no reason to why it should be deleted. they've referenced it and it is notable enough if you search it up in multiple languages. theres many more micronation articles which have less references than this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.146.29.20 (talk • contribs) 06:18, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete not a notable micronation, references appear to come from press releases (talk) 03:19, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note There are many other pages on Wikipedia that have been allowed with press releases and sometimes no references at all. This has press release references along with normal media references, therefore there is no reason for it to be removed. Many micronations are referenced by their own website, whereas this one has normal articles from the media. It's considered notable as journalists have been willing to take time to write it (on RTL) and that article had been on trending for a good month. Buzzara RTL is one of the largest news sites in Croatia. There's no reason for deletion. Their government website is https://verdisgov.org/ - They're serious and they have been gaining a lot of attention, just look around and you'll see. It has mainly been popular in Croatia and some other countries including Nigeria, USA and Australia. Some examples: https://www.nairaland.com/5238083/europes-newest-country https://buzzara.rtl.hr/virealno/3500391/liberland-20-kako-jedan-cetrnaestogodisnjak-stvara-drzavu-izmedju-hrvatske-i-srbije/ https://likaclub.eu/cetrnaestogodisnjak-osniva-novu-drzavu-izmedu-hrvatske-i-srbije/ - This has gained more attention than many micronations already on Wikipedia. It's clearly obvious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.146.29.20 (talk) 17:56, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
 * Buzzara's basically the Croatian buzzfeed, two of their four top stories as we speak are about pets, the lead story is "Stupidest questions asked by Croatian tourists." RTL is fine, but Buzzara is the "What? And finally!" part of the site. And the other article links back to Buzzara. Not trying to get into an argument since this will likely be deleted anyways, but getting on Buzzara and Buzzara only isn't something anyone should be proud of if they're trying to be taken seriously. SportingFlyer  T · C  08:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's still a referenced and essentially trustwory article. There's no reason why the article should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.146.29.20 (talk) 18:27, July 30, 2019 (UTC) —  120.146.29.20  (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 08:33, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Please note that "there's other similar stuff in Wikipedia" is never accepted as an argument in AfD discussions. -The Gnome (talk)`


 * Merge all content which can be sourced to Croatia–Serbia border dispute - this will probably be a short section. The article in itself doesn't establish notability and it's a stretch to say that the sources discussed above meet notability requirements (although maybe there are more in southeastern European languages). The article on the border dispute is a very logical place to include a mention for a subject about which there isn't much to say. (A redirect would almost be sufficient but the current article doesn't mention Verdis at all.) --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:23, 30 July 2019 (UTC)w
 * Comment: For a hoax subject, no merge should be performance - see link above I provide. A micro nation declaration should be recieved WP:SIGCOV with independent, reliable sources. This subject has has been created in draft many times and all of the creator are sock and they are all banned. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:26, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I mean what's a hoax and what's just a non-notable micronation seems like a mighty fine line and I'm not quite willing to say it's a hoax. But I agree with you that inclusion of information about this doesn't belong anywhere. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete for the reasons mentioned above. Île flottante (talk) 14:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep it's pretty noticeable imo https://instagram.com/verdisgov/ - and their president is pretty big online, commonly known as doeke or swedenaviator* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.199.101.96 (talk • contribs) 21:55, July 30, 2019 (UTC) —   49.199.101.96 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The page you’ve linked to us blank. Île flottante (talk) 23:14, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Try again sorry. Typo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.199.101.96 (talk • contribs) 23:17, July 30, 2019 49. (UTC)
 * Right... an Instagram page with zero posts and 19 followers is going to convince us. Meters (talk) 23:26, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure you mean 109,000 followers. They only post stories though. When they do normal posts, they only keep them up for a week or so — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.199.101.96 (talk • contribs) 23:32, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
 * Followers can be purchased so this really isn't indicative of anything. Île flottante (talk) 16:10, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I can confirm these aren't purchased. They advertised. I found Verdis through ads — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.146.29.20 (talk • contribs) 22:11, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Yet another self-proclaimed micronation with no independent reliable sources to show notability. Meters (talk) 23:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Have you read anything above of the independent sources? There are multiple, although most are in Croatian. There's also its own sources though that are truthful with a lot of notability, especially with its creator being quite known online, especially on YouTube and Instagram. His names online are Doeke and SwedenAviator. He has stopped creating content though as he primarily focuses on Free Republic of Verdis now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.146.29.20 (talk • contribs) 23:25, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
 * Not going to waste time discussing this with you. Please sign your posts, and stick to one IP. (hard to believe that two SPA IPs from the same place who post within minutes of each other are really different editors). Meters (talk) 23:33, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ever heard of working together? user started first edit on the day the article created and make has made few or no other edits outside this topic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.199.101.96 (talk • contribs) 23:36, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure. It's called WP:MEAT Meters (talk) 06:14, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails GNG, appears to be an internet publicity stunt.  Daß &thinsp;  Wölf  02:59, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * How the hell is it a publicity stunt? You cannot accuse something of being a publicity stunt when it is clearly not. Read https://verdisgov.org/ — Thonkingman (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 03:17, 1 August 2019‎ (UTC).
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG --SalmanZ (talk) 23:22, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Scroll up. You will see it's clearly notable.Thonkingman (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic and account created on August 1, 2019 after the AfD is nominated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thonkingman (talk • contribs) 11:45, August 2, 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as subject lacks verifiable Wikinotability, per nomination. -The Gnome (talk) 10:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


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