Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Free The Hops


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Free The Hops

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Standard Afd header added only for article nomination by Walter Görlitz below. Tikiwont 14:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - This appears to be a lobby group looking for publicty. It doesn't matter if their cause is just or not, just that this isn't what Wikipedia is for. See MGMbill.org and Articles for deletion/MGMbill.org for more discussion on lobby and special interest groups. I would suggest that a brief mention of the group at an article related to beer, or laws on alcohol consumption would be sufficient. --Walter Görlitz 18:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - I created the page. We definitely aren't "looking for publicity" from Wikipedia, and I can't imagine how this even qualifies as publicity.  We are a citizen's group making a significant impact on the state of Alabama.  That seemed to be something worth noting in an encyclopedia.  It sure matters to the many businesses that will be affected by the outcome, to the tourism industry of AL, and to the many citizens of Alabama who will see hundreds of new beers become available. --Danner Kline
 * Comment - Please see the discussion about the other lobby group who were trying to make a significant impact on the entire United States. Their topic sure matters to just under half of current population, as well as doctors and religious leaders. The importance of your cause is not the issue. The importance of your group is. Please see that discussion. --Walter Görlitz 21:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - Many other non-profit organizations are described in Wikipedia articles. For example, when I want to find out information about the American Cancer Society, I know I can go to Wikipedia to get information.  Similarly, NORML, Parent-Teacher Association, Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, United We Stand America, National American Suffrage Association, American Civil Liberties Union, Raging Grannies, etc., etc. etc.  There are hundreds if not thousands of pages on Wikipedia that provide information about organizations around the world.  I guess Walter could say these groups are just looking for publicity also, but I hope reasonable people will know better.  There is a big difference between an article that provides factual information about an organization vs. a page that is nothing more than lobbying in an of itself.  If the article at issue contains lobbying, that can be edited.  But don't delete an informative article about the origin and activities of an organization just because the organization engages in advocacy.  Review the discussion archives on Walter's profile page, and you'll see he's been a little too aggressive with his deletion activism in the past.  Apparently, he's still at it. --Banjolawyer 19:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Not to mention Mothers Against Drunk Driving. There's a lobby group trying to tighten alcohol laws.  We are a group trying to repeal prohibition-era alcohol laws.  Activities of a similar but opposite nature.  They are national; we are limited to one state.  Nevertheless, I fail to see how any argument made for deletion of our entry should not also be applied to MADD's entry. -- Danner Kline 20:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - There are differences between these notable NPOs and the one under discussion. Again. Please understand that wikipedia is not an advertising or marketing media, but an encyclopedia. If this group does something notable, then they deserve an article. So far they are just a lobby group. --Walter Görlitz 01:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.