Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Free speech in the media during the 2011 Libyan civil war


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The result was   keep. Moving can be WP:BOLDly discussed on the article talk page; personally, I think Censorship in Libya under Muammar Gaddafi would be a good fit, but that might be just me. The Bushranger One ping only 00:36, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Free speech in the media during the 2011 Libyan civil war

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Essentially WP:SYNTH; the stitching together of multiple individual events (most of them unreferenced) in the pursuit of an overarching theme. It is vitally important that we have coverage of the media's work during the Civil War; it is also vitally important that this coverage be neutral in nature and fully referenced, which this is not. Ironholds (talk) 10:44, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Jeff Ogden (talk) 02:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep, it would be better to improve this article than to delete it. Jeff Ogden (talk) 13:45, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You're missing my point; that the sources and content do not indicate that the underlying subject can have an article that is not synthetic. Ironholds (talk) 13:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't miss your point, I just don't agree with you. See WP:INC. Also you said, "It is vitally important that we have coverage of the media's work during the Civil War", and then you said, "the sources and content do not indicate that the underlying subject can have an article that is not synthetic". And, if it is essential that we have a good article on this subject, it is really too bad that one can't be created by improving the existing article. I think we should try, although I'm holding off on doing any work until this deletion discussion is over. Jeff Ogden (talk) 19:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you provide any evidence that a non-synthetic article is possible? Ironholds (talk) 21:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you provide evidence that it can't? It isn't really my job to give evidence here. And I'm not even sure that the current article is a "Synthesis of published material that advances a position". But in any case, I'm willing to add references and do other work to improve it, if the outcome of this discussion is to keep the article. I can imagine that an improved article might be quite different from the current article and that we might even want to change the name of the article as part of improving it, perhaps to something like "The role of the media during the 2011 Libyan civil war" or "Censorship in Libya during the 2011 civil war" or "Censorship of the media during the 2011 Libyan civil war". We should discuss the shortcomings of the current article and gather suggestions for improving it on the article's talk page. It would have been better to do that before the proposal to delete the article was made. You and I can keep going back and forth here, but to advance this discussion what we really need to do is to get some other editors to review the article and express their views. Jeff Ogden (talk) 23:06, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I know I said I was going to wait until this deletion discussion was finished before trying to improve the article, but I jumped the gun and made a number of what I hope are improvements. I've added references, expanded sections, added new sections and renamed others. I'd welcome feedback on the article's Talk page. I'd also welcome assistance from other editors. Jeff Ogden (talk) 05:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Read the article, and I don't see a problem here. I think a better name would be Censorship during the 2011 Libyan civil war.  This is quite encyclopedic, it showing how a notable aspect of this historic rebellion/war took place.  There is significant coverage in reliable sources of times when the news media was censored.   D r e a m Focus  02:46, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep, Very Much more can be added to this articval, I might have something to contribute to it, but I need to verify first. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 23:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Move to Censorship in Libya under Muammar Gaddafi (named to match History of Libya under Muammar Gaddafi), purge of unreferenced sections and expand to cover the entire period of his rule. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:08, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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