Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freedom Flotilla (film)


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The result was   redirect to Gaza flotilla raid. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Freedom Flotilla (film)

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Iranian TV has broadcast a one-hour documentary by speedily deleted first-time director Saeed Faraji about the Gaza flotilla raid. I've already tagged this article for NPOV, as it presents the details in what seems to me to be a rather biased way. Thanks to Google Translate, we can see that there is only one independent reliable source about the film, #3. But even that is more of a capsule mention of a broadcast than in-depth coverage. Therefore, I believe this fails to meet WP:NF. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:05, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment: For something released in Iran and in the Persian language, always best to look for available non-English sources.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:34, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * In English:
 * In Persian:
 * In Persian:
 * That's a good point, I'd forgotten I could do that. Well, I checked the two Farsi links and at most I've found the same TV capsule blurb another time. The final link, for the guy himself, shows a decent amount of coverage of him as a documentary/war still photographer, to the point where I think a good stub article could have been written. No idea what the state of it was when it was speedied, but there is nothing to merge this to, and based on the additional sources, I still think it fails WP:NF. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Gaza flotilla raid, the article about the event which inspired the film and a topic more suitable wherein this film may be mentioned. I cleaned up the film article some, but feel the event is far more notable than the documentary about the event.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q.
 * It is misidentified in your redirect as a "feature film project," which it is not. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:34, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No hard rule on what qualifies as a feature film, other than it must be "something" over 40 minutes. There is information at Feature film, but I note that section contains claims about length qualification that have been tagged for cites for several years. Though not world-wide or industry-wide, according to the rules of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences at 56 minutes long it qualifies as a feature film.  "Short films" are those under 40 minutes in length. See also Feature length.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, in response to Mike's request on my User take page, here's my take on the redirect. I guess I have no big problem with a merge and redirect. But I do kinda have one giving it its own section "Documentary" in the main article. Stick in the list in the preexisting in Popular culture section, if need be. There were TV reports and no doubt "documentaries" all over the world on what happened, but I'll be swizzled if we're to create a separate section on some obscure TV hour (imo) from Iranian TV, a nation that is sworn to Israel's utter destruction and is unlikely to be a source of neutral information on the raid (as indicated by the NPOV language in the orig. stub). True, a section might one day be written on non-fiction works on the raid around the world, but the way it redirects now, suggesting that Iranian TV is the source of The Documentary on the Issue, is WP:UNDUE. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:26, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That created section is not writ in stone and can be combined anywhere else in the target where sourced information will not be lost to readers. I created a temporary target section for the information at Gaza flotilla raid only because the existing Gaza flotilla raid reads like a bulleted trivia list containing only tangentially related "popular culture" references, some of which predate the event of the actual Gaza flotilla raid by years. It can be fixed in any way wished.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I made a search in Persian both on the documentary and the director. Saeed Faraji is a photographer with close ties to the Islamic Republic (Sure, I don't blame him for this!) but I think that we should find some reliable sources independent from the subject. What I've found is mostly news articles about the documentary on the websites like Fars news agency and Jamejam daily (the newspaper of state-run TV). So I think that redirect to Gaza flotilla raid is a good idea.Farhikht (talk) 09:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * another perhaps better redirect target is Reactions to the Gaza flotilla raid.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  17:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable propaganda film. Maybe add a throwaway line at Gaza flotilla raid. Plot Spoiler (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I should point out that it has since been added to Reactions_to_the_Gaza_flotilla_raid. I have no objection to that -- and only that-- merge and redirect. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Gaza flotilla raidKabirat (talk) 06:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.