Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freemuse


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The result was Delete. Cúchullain t/ c 03:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Freemuse

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Possible copyvio. Permission to use under GFDL is asserted, but I don't see that on source site.. -- Dougie WII (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi;

I can understand your concerns here, but the situation with this article is getting a little ridiculous. I found a dead link to a deleted article on freemuse last month; apparently a copyvio deletion; I had no idea what freemuse was, so I googled for it, found the info, wrote a small stub covering the basics; the stub was subsequently speed-deleted without even the courtesty of a notification to me, the claimed criteria being non notability, or lack of evidence of notabiliy;  now someone else has come back & written the article all over again & yet again it's up for  deletion.

Personallly I don't think the freemuse people would mind having the article here, but ok; lets check the source material, fine.

BUT COULD WE PLEASE HAVE SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS ON WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AN ARTICLE ON THIS SUBJECT IN WIKIPEDIA OR NOT!?

I'm willing to rewrite it to fix the copyvio. I'll revise the copy, or do a scratch re-write stub at least, or a longer text if necessary. But I am not going to waste my time on this if it gets deleted again, especially without proper courtesy notification.

It's my opinion that there should be an article on freemuse here: they are an international organization, they do important work, they have a fair-sized presence on myspace.

& there are (at least) several hundred thousand articles on wikipedia covering matters of lesser importance and/or notability.

We don't need to save space on the servers this badly... ;)

but please, one way or the other, let's have an agreement on what we're doing here, because this is stupid to continue as it has been...

--Lx 121 (talk) 11:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

--FOLLOW-UP--

found the gfdl info on the page cited as source material ( http://www.freemuse.org/sw184.asp ), it is there, about halfway down the page:

Copyright © 2007 Freemuse. Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify the text above under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation.

hopefully that means we're good here? :)

--Lx 121 (talk) 11:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as nn, regardless of the copyright situation Mayalld (talk) 11:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Yet another non-notable organization. Per WP:ORG, the article does not show enough supports from non-trivial coverage of independent and reliable sources. At this form, I'd say delete. Dekisugi (talk) 11:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of notability at all. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 19:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Dougie WII, Mayalld, Dekisugi and EVula, We wonder on what basis it is that you say 'delete'. Have you really looked into this matter? If so, can you then please explain to us all why the wiki-page about International Pen (an organisation that works very similarly as Freemuse) should not be deleted as well? What exactly is it that makes International Pen 'notable' while Freemuse is not?

musiccensorship 14:51, 7 January 2008


 * Comment Please read WP:WAX for an explanation as the why "what about ...." isn't relevant Mayalld (talk) 13:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Another comment (after edit-conflict). Dear musiccensorship, the argument of "what about article X?" cannot be used to argue here. We're looking at the specific article and this article does not comply with the Wikipedia policy about organization (the other article may be subjected to another deletion also). Simple saying that if you can provide verifiability of this article by giving non-trivial coverage of reliable and independent secondary sources about this subject, then the article may remain alive in Wikipedia. Dekisugi (talk) 14:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This makes good sense. Thanks for explaining. Hundreds of independent sources such as newspapers, broadcasters, etc, have written about Freemuse (see ), so I guess this is more a question of how to make the non-trivial coverage of reliable and independent secondary sources shown in that article about Freemuse. Google shows that the word "Freemuse" appears app. 30,000 times in Google. On this page: is a list of coverage of the Music Freedom Day (which is mentioned in the article). Again, how is such a long list best referred to? musiccensorship 15:24, 7 January 2008

--Music Freedom Day coverage, March 2007-- R A D I O • Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, CBC: One week of dedicated programming, called Censor-This!, involving 17 programmes and including a one hour music documentary, from 18-24 February 2007, and then repeating the music documentary on 3 March for Music Freedom Day. Read more on: cbc.ca/censorthis • Radio Canada’s Espace Musique: (quoting host Dan Behrman) "keeps talking about it before and after 3 March". • British Broadcasting Corporation, BBC in UK: Radio 3 runs a radio report by Songlines editor Simon Broughton on 3 March. The BBC Radio 3 programme World Routes includes an interview with Freemuse director Marie Korpe and reports on Turkey, Belarus and Zimbabwe. The programme can be heard online, where the Freemuse item starts at 35 minutes in. Music Freedom day also comes up in the following item with oud player Adel Salameh:  www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/worldroutes Simon Broughton is guest in the programme 'Today' for the morning of Saturday 3 March. (The programme 'Today' is the most important radio programme there is in the United Kingdom. It's where the politicians are interviewed and where the news agenda is set.) Simon Broughton says: "The discussion in 'Today' will include some general music censorship issues and then current areas of concern. I will probably talk about Belarus and Zimbabwe." • Daily Times Pakistan, FM 101, a country-wide public sector radio channel: Journalist and broadcaster Ahmed Raza looks into how they can contribute to and support the initiative. • Uruk Media International Organization and Iraqi National News Agency: Wessam K. Hussain has informed Freemuse that they "are ready to participate in this global day for the fredom of music". • Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation: prepares a day of specific programming for 3 March. Sølvi Foseide from the NRK P2 programme Kulturnytt prepares a special report. • Danish Broadcasting Corporation's radio channel DR P2: Journalist Anne Bro and the programme 'Bolero' focuses on freedom to express oneself through music in a one-hour programme on 3 March. • Swedish Broadcasting Corporation's radio channel SR P2: Journalist Mats Einarsson focuses on music and censorship in a one-hour programme at 5 PM to 6 PM on 3 March entitled 'Röster om musik och censur i Mellanöstern' ('Voices about music and censorship in the Middle East') containing interviews with Salman Ahmed, Masha Vahdat, Joelle Khoury, Khaled al-Sheikh, Jonas Otterbäck, Ole Reitov and Marie Korpe. Executive Director of Freemuse Marie Korpe is also interviewed by Swedish Broadcasting Corporation's P1 Morgon on 2 March 2007: "Musikcensur i fokus - Imorgon arrangeras 'Music Freedom Day 2007', som är en dag MOT musikcensur. Under den här veckan har det uppmärksammats i medier runtom i världen, och här i Sveriges Radio sänder vår grannkanal P2 ett helt program om musikcensur imorgon. Samtal med Marie Korpe, organsiationen Freemuse." • Radio France International (RFI) in English: the weekly World Tracks programme has a special theme on music and censorship on Friday 2 March. This programme is re-broadcast three times during that day. • France Culture: the weekly programme Equinoxe features a music censorship theme in the week up to 3 March • Radio Netherlands (RNW): highlights Music Freedom Day in its Dutch, English, Spanish and Indonesian language services. Member of the Freemuse Executive Committee Ariana Hernandez-Reguant is interviewed by Radio Netherlands' Spanish language service on 1 March 2007. "We pay a lot of attention to Music and Censorship on Saturday 3 March", tells journalist and editor Bram Posthumus, with at least one special on Freemuse and as the topic in the English language programme called Weekend Connection. • Radio Multikulti, Rundfunk Berlin-Brandenburg, Berlin's section of the national public service ARD: The programme Meridian 13 – a music magazine broadcast from 10:05 til 13:00 on 3 March with presenter/producer Johannes Theurer and editor Dietmar Meinhold – broadcasts a five minutes live on air telephone interview with a representative of Freemuse's executive committee.

T V • Tishk TV, Kurdish-Persian tv channel in France: On 2 March, Sirus Malakooty (Iranian human right activist who lives in exile in Paris, founder of the Artists Without Frontiers organisation, AFW) has a programme about cencorship in Iran and in general.

O N L I N E • Mondomix (France): devotes front cover and a special site to the theme Music & Censorship leading up to 3 March. www.mondomix.com. Mondomix has more than 300.000 unique visitors monthly, viewing 3.6 million pages on the site. • Songlines (UK): produces a podcast with a Freemuse feature which can be accessed online on this podcast-address. The podcast includes highlights from the March-April 2007 issue of Songlines (#42), and Songlines editor Simon Broughton's 7:30-minutes report from Freemuse's World Conference on Music and Censorship in Istanbul starts 10 minutes inside the programme. It contains interview with human right activist and musician Sanar Yurdatapan, and Cihan Keskek from the Turkish band Grup Yorum.

P R I N T • Songlines Magazine (UK): addresses music censorship in their February-March issue. Editor Simon Broughton writes about the Istanbul conference in his opening editorial, and there is an article on Simon Bikindi. • Djembe Magazine (Denmark): publishes an article about 'forbidden music' in relation to an event in Copenhagen (debate and film screening) about music and Islam on 1 March, and also writes about it in the magazine's opening editorial.
 * Delete per WP:ORG. I would hardly be surprised if there's a COI problem here as well. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  15:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


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