Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French Brazilian


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 07:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

French Brazilian

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This article was created a long time ago, and since then it has no information, no importance. Actually, there are very few "French Brazilians" (a source claims only 10,000). Moreover, this article is frequently vandalized by the user Skanter (who is already blocked, by keeps using different IP numbers), who includes unsourced figures of French Brazilian, such as 6 million and over. I already got tired of reverting these frequent vandalism. This page, about an "ethnic group" who has no importance in Brazil, should be deleted. Opinoso (talk) 14:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Please note that frequent vandalism isn't grounds for deletion - lest we should lose the article about Dubya. That being said Merge into Demographics of Brazil. Usrnme h8er (talk) 15:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Perfectly acceptable article. If there is a vandalism problem, SProtect it. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Very little sources support it. roup is not significant enough. LOTRrules  Talk   Contribs  20:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, rewrite and rename. The french influence in Brazil can be trace back to the sixteen century 1, 2. This article has potential and should not be deleted because of vandalism. --J.Mundo (talk) 21:06, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are in fact French Brazilians (see here for example), so it stands to reason we could have an article on them as we currently do for Portuguese Brazilian, Spanish Brazilian, Italian Brazilian, German-Brazilian, Polish Brazilian, Ukrainians of Brazil, and Arab Brazilian. There might not be all that many sources online, but there are almost certainly books or articles on Brazilian demography and history which would give some information on French Brazilians (I didn't find anything from a quick Worldcat search but I didn't look that hard). The fact that there are fewer Brazilians of French than of, say, German descent is not really relevant (it seems the total number is similar to that of Mongolian Americans), nor is the fact that this article is routinely vandalized. If it continues and the vandal keeps hopping IPs you could ask for temporary semi-protection. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 21:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete' all it really tells us is that it means "a Brazilian person of full, partial, or predominantly French ancestry, or a French-born person residing in Brazil." Yes, that's what a dictionary would tell us it meant. WP:DICDEF. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As it stands all we have is a dictionary definition, yes, but this topic is not inherently a dicdef only topic. There have been French Brazilians for hundreds of years, and as such there should be sufficient fodder for an article here, though it might take some digging to find it and we might be stuck with the current article for some time. That's not a reason for deletion though. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 00:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * This article was created by blocked user Skanter, the same who also created several articles about minor ethnic groups in Brazil, such as odd South American Brazilian or Scandinavian Brazilian. All these articles, including French Brazilian, have no importance. The fact that French colonists settled Brazil 400 years ago does not mean there are French Brazilians existing today (the French colonists were expelled by the Portuguese). Moreover, there are already articles about the French presence in colonial Brazil (see France Antarctique and France Équinoxiale). The article French Brazilian exists since a long time ago, and nobody never showed any interest about it, nobody included any information: because lacks information. There are very few people of French descent in Brazil today, and they had no influence in the country's demography. If this article is not going to be deleted, it will keep the same way forever, because there was never an important French immigration to Brazil since the French were expelled in the 17th century, so that French Brazilians these days are rare (10,000 in a country of almost 200 million people). This article, then, has no importance. Opinoso (talk) 23:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Remember that in the AfD process the article stands or falls on its own merits - not those of the author. "The author is a vandal so the article should be deleted" is not a valid arguement. Usrnme h8er (talk) 00:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree with the point made by Usrnme h8er, furthermore the fact that there are few French Brazilians does not mean the topic has "no importance." Also the fact that no one has come along to improve the article, and the possibility that no one ever will, is not a reason for deletion. We have scads of articles on ethnic groups within a certain country and I see no reason for that not to be the case here. The fact that the French-Brazilian influence was minimal (though the overall French influence in Brazil was quite strong) after the 17th century can be explained in the article, as can the fact that there are only around 10,000 Brazilians of French ancestry today (assuming that is the real number). I just find it hard to believe that this cannot be turned into a minimal but still useful encyclopedia article, and I don't think notability is really at issue here. It's also worth pointing out that we're more likely to find sources dealing with this topic in Portuguese and French than in English. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 00:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep but rewrite. The article as it stands isn't more than a dictionary entry with a "Related" list, but the topic itself has a lot of merit. I'd like to see something about how the French influenced the colonisation of Brazil, how their presence there made a difference over time, etc etc. Basically like Dutch Brazilian, except French. If it turns out that historically the French were of no importance then the article can be like Liechtensteiner Brazilian and not exist, but I have trouble believing that would be the case for a nation as big and colonially active as France (who still has colonies in South America) Orpheus (talk) 05:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, it is really irrelevant. No such thing as a "French Brazilian" exists in real life. Ninguém (talk) 03:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Category:Brazilians of French descent disagrees with you. If you mean a label used in everyday society then sure, same as there's no such thing as a "French New Zealander", but plenty of people are still proud of their French roots. Orpheus (talk) 04:46, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There are already articles about how the French influenced the colonization of Brazil. The "French Brazilian" article has nothing to do with the 17th century French colonization. Most of these people in the category of "Brazilians of French descent" are people of the Brazilian Royal Family. It was normal for Royal Family members of any country to have French ancestors and from different countries of Europe. The fact is that very few "ordinary" Brazilians are of French descent, since Brazil was never a main destination for French immigrants, as were Canada or the United States. And again, articles about French colonization already exist. Then, "French Brazilians" are not visible and a no informations about them are avaible. If we change the subject of this article to the French colonization, then we are going to have a copy of the articles France Antarctique and France Équinoxiale. The same goes for Dutch Brazilian which also should be deleted, since the article Dutch Brazil (about 18th century Dutch colonization) already exists. Opinoso (talk) 17:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.